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  1. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    its also a deprived area... seen as its shown that number of immigrants aren't the key factor that get people to vote leave... it looks like the main factors are economic prosperity and possibly levels of education. Doncaster / S.Yorkshire generally doesn't have that high a % of immigrants, so...
  2. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There are only 9 regions in England, so 4th isn't something to be too proud of either way.
  3. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You keep changing the goal posts... it was 3rd, then 4th and now (about 10th) its as if you're trying to find a place that voted leave that has a high % immigration to prove your point ;) I know the area well, one of the lads we employ is from Donny, I was there just last week visiting a bike...
  4. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sorry to hit you with facts again, but you might have noticed I am fan :) You can't know what % your town voted, the data wasn't released, was it? Have you got a link for it? So I'm guessing you must be in Thurrock (which was 4th) "Thurrock in south Essex is typical. The region includes the...
  5. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    ok.... which area do you live, so I can amend my clear generalisation to take into account your specific case. Because according to the facts, this is the 3rd most leave voting place in the country. Please take note of the last sentence. "Castle Point, situated deep in the Ukip heartlands of...
  6. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    so do you support freedom of movement between Scotland and England? Yorkshire and London? What about if we sign a trade deal with Australia, would you support freedom of movement with them? I'm not saying there aren't downsides, but I'm saying we're a global market place now, fighting...
  7. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    ok. so now I'm confused. You're saying that you agree that the EU hasn't caused these problems and that leaving the EU won't solve them. However the impact of Brexit will promote a greater interest into a more relevant style of politics. I agree that these will be results, and beneficial, but...
  8. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I hope you posted this trying to be funny, or wind people up. Because if you're seriously suggesting any of those problems are caused by the EU, or solved by leaving the EU, then I'm afraid you are falling into the problem that frustrates so many "remainers". Your issue is with the UK...
  9. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This doesn't make any sense.... there are always winners and losers in any vote / election. Are you seriously suggesting that UKIP just as an example have for the past 10 years not being democratic. Nigel Farage for instance has lost every time he's stood to be elected as an MP, did he give up...
  10. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    have you got a link to this news please. Thanks
  11. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    another fact from today EU applications to UK universities suddenly down by 7%... ... after they had been growing for years. University leaders are citing Brexit as a cause
  12. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, see you're wrong again. The decision was put to the courts by a group of claimants, some of whom were leavers. The court case wasn't about remain or leave. Have a look at the list of claimants. Here's another of the names, that you won't here because he was a "leaver" Dos Santos, 37...
  13. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Here's my stab as to why it is. Its all about public perception. About the image problem of "ignoring the will of the people". They kept quiet when it could effect them negatively, every individual or business will reach a tipping point where keeping quiet is worse than speaking out. This...
  14. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, that's exactly my plan, and its exactly the definition of democracy. I have the right to peacefully do everything I can to keep us in, and then if we leave, get us back into the EU and Single Market. If at any point in the future the majority of MPs agree with me, it'll happen. That's...
  15. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So you're now attempting to argue with the definition of democracy? Democracy, means we all have a voice and a right to express that voice, suggesting there is a better way, is a vital part of that voice. Falling in line, is not democracy.
  16. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    but there was a referendum on our relationship in 1975... and anti EU people have disagreed with it for 40 years. Parliament / government can make a decision this year on A50. So the pro EU lobby has 2 years to try to change the decision if they envoke it. Then if we leave, the pro EU lobby...
  17. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    democracy and debate means we don't have to support a decision we don't agree with doesn't it?
  18. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    and another one. This time from the Daily Mail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156922/UK-firms-face-crippling-costs-outside-customs-union.html What's going on with the pro Brexit press this week? Its like they've suddenly woken up to reality.
  19. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    any leavers want to put a positive spin on this? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/01/25/number-eu-nurses-coming-uk-falls-90-per-cent-since-brexit-vote/
  20. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    so why not vote UKIP?