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  1. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Irish fearmongering again... http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-hard-brexit-could-bring-return-of-armed-conflict-in-ireland-775835.html "Any semblence to a return to what they call a hard border, or borders of the past, brings with it serious challenges for this...
  2. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They are not threatening us. They are just saying if you leave the club you loose the benefits. Thats not a threat, its just a point, and its our choice. They are also saying that if we throw out EU citizens they'll send back Brits, again that's not a threat, its a response to our threat...
  3. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    no one has said the opinions are caused by Brexit. No one has said all Brexit voters are racist and I've never called anyone on here names or stereotyped.. .if you can find an example, I'll apologise. My point was, racist idiots, who've always been racist idiots, pre and post brexit, and I'm...
  4. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I've only just seen this... apologies if its already been posted. More news in from those pesky experts. This time its the The Institute of Public Policy Research (IPPR) http://fortune.com/2016/12/29/post-brexit-britain-uk-forecast-ippr/ They are not as optimistic as some on here.... I...
  5. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What do you want me to compare the 2015 price too? Because I think you'll find in 2015 the bikes (and not just KTM) were about as good as they've got in terms of value for money in the 20 odd years I've got working in the bike industry. Certainly 2013-15 was a pretty strong point for value for...
  6. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I picked 2 dates that I was asked about, which is the dates the 2016 and 2017 prices were printed. I didn't choose the dates. if you want me to look at other dates, then I can do, but I can assure you I didn't present anything to support a narrative.
  7. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I've given cold hard facts... the direct comparison between the 2 prices... and I've said we've halved our margin. There is nothing in my statement that is either opinion or exaggerated. The fact you're still fighting against facts, is rather worrying. Is there anything anyone could say that...
  8. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    its available if all parties agree. Which they would, its in everyones interests to have the UK threaten to leave, realise life on the outside is worse and then beg to be allowed to stay. Its the ideal situation for the EU.
  9. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    but in a general election the votes are split by a million issues. Do you really think if parliament decides that when its looked at all the deals that we're best remaining. UKIP will suddenly get a majority? I think not. Don't forget most of both houses are in favour of remaining.
  10. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its the opinion of many that people who voted for Brexit are fools. Just look at Cornwall and Wales... they voted to leave, and are now realising that "project fear" was correct. If you leave you'll be worse off, a lot worse off. Clearly you have a different definition of "a fool" because I'd...
  11. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If we let it fester and don't call it out and show that these opinions are out there, they aren't going to go away. We have to show that this is the view of a number of people in this country and we have to acknowledge it. If its underground, its more dangerous and people like poor Jo Cox are...
  12. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I have just been asked to explain the 19% increase in the price of a KTM Macina Sport CX5+ from 2016 - 2017, by a member of the public. I thought some of you might like to see the reply. "There are some tiny differences in the spec, for instance the brakes are the new M8000 series XT ones...
  13. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I would argue its not a pointless statement. I follow the likes of UKIP, Britain First etc on twitter and facebook, and I can assure you every xenophobe who posts on there (that's me being polite) is proud to support UKIP. I'm not saying that just because you support UKIP, you're a racist...
  14. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Plaid Cymru not happy at the moment. "Tonight Westminster voted AGAINST a Plaid Cymru amendment that would have ensured that Wales did not lose any money as a result of Brexit, in accordance to a promise made by the Leave campaign. During the debate that was specifically supposed to be about...
  15. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My sentence is written in the same way as the example, exactly the same way. Your reading it differently because you're attaching emotion and taking offense at it, because you are feeling that UKIP voters are being lumped into the same category as xenophobes. When actually, its the other way...
  16. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So what do you think will happen when they fail to deliver.... who will they vote for, and how will that new choice deliver something that is going to prove to be impossible?? Growing the economy and therefore public service spend without using immigrant labour to power the growth.
  17. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    hahaha, 1/10 for ranting there. You do realise I used the word "AND" didn't I. So just because they are in the same sentence doesn't mean they are one in the same thing. I'm sure in some cases they are, but I was clear. Its just like a football stadium can contain hooligans and Cheltenham...
  18. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The problem with that theory, is that most of the country, where there are immigrants doesn't have a problem with them. So any immigrants already here will on the whole not be experiencing any problems so will be telling their compatriots there are no issues, don't believe the media (where have...
  19. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    ah, that old chestnut and its no wonder many people have compared brexit to a religion. At least with this myth, we'll actually all go to the gates together and see what is on the other side, with hopefully the option to come back before its too late.
  20. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Mechanics are in short supply... agreed. But do you really think any bike shop or brand will now employ and train the local yoof who currently can't be arsed to get on an apprenticeship (we've had a few here and the level of applicants is so low its shocking), would suddenly start doing it...