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  1. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Here's an interesting fact for you. not even a debatable one :) The party that's most pro-EU is making the most progress local by-elections in areas that voted LEAVE This is votes since the referendum.... I wonder why this could be...
  2. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'm still waiting for you to give me the source of your optimism. Because so this week people like Airbus http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38731306 Microsoft...
  3. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    1. The court said, the government couldn't change the law based on the referendum, the law can only be changed by parliament. So that does mean that the referendum has no legal standing. The law can only be changed by parliament. 2. Yes the referendum showed a pretty much 50/50 split. So...
  4. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They didn't change their mind.... They are just currently saying they will "bow to the will of the people" however if you follow lots of MPs actually tweets etc etc, they are starting to acknowledge that the "will of the people" can not always be trusted, and certainly isn't best for the country.
  5. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    and that's exactly why MPs will be considering that asking the people to vote on this has done nothing but prove that they shouldn't have asked the public to vote on something that they clearly don't understand.
  6. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Any argument that is pro UK and anti EU falls down immediately. If you are anti EU, then by definition you have to also be anti UK, and then technically anti England, because that is just a group of regions ruled by London. its not about trade its about logic, definitions and geography.
  7. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It is nonsense, and your post proves it... UK isn't even a nation! Plus we don't need to change the mind of people who voted Brexit, it was just an opinion poll. We just need to get some of the ones who didn't vote to realise what their apathy is giving up, and get MPs to realise that they...
  8. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So then surely, the next step is for Cornwall, Yorkshire etc etc to become separate from London... or indeed London to become separate from everywhere? I don't like being ruled by the centre of Huddersfield, it has no relevance to my life here on the outskirts... etc etc. I ts nonsense and...
  9. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    worryingly its not just a view held by some people in the UK... check out a certain Mr Trump thinking that a judge shouldn't be allowed to rule on a case because of his heritage.
  10. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They are worried about their jobs. They are worried that they will get voted out at the next general election. Yesterday Supreme Court ruling back up the recongnised fact that the referendum was just an official opinion poll. It was not legally binding. So the MPs just have to decide how...
  11. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well, don't forget all it has to do is show the MPs who were pro-remain that they don't risk loosing their seats at the next election. That's all they are worried about. They also really want to be on the right side of history, and we'll find out if they are or not pretty quickly in this case...
  12. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Something to digest. From Peter French THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT NEWS POST I HAVE EVER HAD TO POST. PLEASE READ AND SHARE !! Firstly I apologise for the dramatic headline but what I am about to impart has never mattered so much as it does now. I have just come back from an important meeting...
  13. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Another one to add to the list. Airbus. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38731306?SThisFB "Airbus employs 6,000 people at its wings plant in Broughton, Flintshire." ""We are entering a dangerous phase" if Airbus cannot seamlessly move people and products around the European Union, a senior...
  14. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As I said, its a generalization... but it is correct according to all the stats. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum and pretty much every other analysis. I know on a cycling forum you're average older user is more...
  15. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    ok, well maybe you should try listening to them then!
  16. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Do you know anyone from the EU who is currently in the UK?
  17. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    are you insane, or just not able to read? The German bosses were the ones the "Leave" representatives chose to meet. So they were chosen by the people who are pro Brexit.
  18. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This is the full list of MPs who thought remaining in the UK was the right decision last June. If they all vote to stay, Brexit fails. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/full-list-remain-mps-who-could-block-brexit-by-voting-article-50-down-1589766 Its only if they they change their minds that it will...
  19. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I went for a drink with a members of the house of Lords on Friday night (Lord Scriven). There were a small group of us (less than 10) who he met with to discuss things. http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-scriven/4333 It was very interesting and I came away positive and motivated...
  20. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Some more wise words from zee Germans about the "they need us more than we need them" nonsense that we seem to be hearing a lot of. " When you talk to German bosses they say their top priority is in fact the integrity of the single market, rather than hanging on to British customers. That's...