Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Lets just hope the MPs have the balls to give correct answer , for right reasons, and country is sensible enough to accept it.

In our parliamentary democracy whatever answer they give will be correct. Whether its the best one is a wholly different matter though, and something the record suggests they are not very good at doing.

If they don't reach the best answer I will not accept it and will continue to promote its reversal. I won't be alone in doing that and the numbers of the refusniks will continuously increase as this country's position worsens.
.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Trump is threatening putting 35% tariff on all Asian supplied product,US buys 4 times product from China than it sells to China.
Whilst I have a lot of respect for the US to invest to produce its own goods,these things take time and would slowly improve jobs in the rust belt,will the Americans have patience.
Don't forget that a lot of those Chinese factories are US owned and most of the US sovereign debt is owned by the Chinese,the $ would tank if the Chinese dumped that debt.
Companies like Walmart are 100% China supplied,that will put massive price rises onto Asian supplied goods,that surely will hit poor Americans hard.
The devaluation of the £ post Brexit has given us a taster of what such tariff intervention can effect.
Trump is acting like an impatient bull in a china (no pun intended)shop,he should proceed more carefully if internal strife inside the US is to be avoided.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Don't you want to see the tories fall on their own sword?
TBH, I am less worried about brexit than having another tory term.

I can certainly agree with that sentiment!

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

any leavers want to put a positive spin on this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/01/25/number-eu-nurses-coming-uk-falls-90-per-cent-since-brexit-vote/

 

[oldgroaner]

But what is the correct answer?
KudosDave

Remain in the EU now for preference: in the future if all else fails

 

[oldgroaner]

Trump is threatening putting 35% tariff on all Asian supplied product,US buys 4 times product from China than it sells to China.
Whilst I have a lot of respect for the US to invest to produce its own goods,these things take time and would slowly improve jobs in the rust belt,will the Americans have patience.
Don't forget that a lot of those Chinese factories are US owned and most of the US sovereign debt is owned by the Chinese,the $ would tank if the Chinese dumped that debt.
Companies like Walmart are 100% China supplied,that will put massive price rises onto Asian supplied goods,that surely will hit poor Americans hard.
The devaluation of the £ post Brexit has given us a taster of what such tariff intervention can effect.
Trump is acting like an impatient bull in a china (no pun intended)shop,he should proceed more carefully if internal strife inside the US is to be avoided.
KudosDave

The man is heading for a disaster of his own making, and a Flank speed too!

 

[oldtom]

any leavers want to put a positive spin on this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/01/25/number-eu-nurses-coming-uk-falls-90-per-cent-since-brexit-vote/

Now, that is a seriously worrying statistic and if it is a portent of things to come, the prospects are not at all good.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

any leavers want to put a positive spin on this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/01/25/number-eu-nurses-coming-uk-falls-90-per-cent-since-brexit-vote/

And it must be true if it appears in the Torygraph!

 

[oldtom]

For her it's about priorities,she prioritises immigration control and leaving the ECJ even if our economy is destroyed to achieve that

This is the woman who held the office of Home Secretary and she failed miserably in sorting out immigration while she was in prime position to bring about change.

I believe you are absolutely right Dave in that she doesn't give a damn about the economy or who may suffer as a result of her twisted, selfish and dogmatic policies; it is all about her unbridled, self-aggrandising ambitions which come before the interest of anyone else.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

But what is the correct answer?
KudosDave

MPs in the opposition parties should vote to stop A50, wait for the white paper to come out, then a free vote in the Commons to trigger A50, which should sail through.
I suspect there are plenty of closet brexiter MPs among those who said they were remainers because they were Cameron's tarts.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

and another one.

This time from the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156922/UK-firms-face-crippling-costs-outside-customs-union.html

What's going on with the pro Brexit press this week? Its like they've suddenly woken up to reality.

 

[Zlatan]

If Brexit is dropped it will be a disappointment after all the BS dreams and nonsense we have been exposed to,
Rather like watching Stock Car racing without the crashes......

Let Brexodus begin! may the Trump/Chinese Communists?IMF loans be with you!

I didn't say which way for them to decide. I,m putting faith in them to make correct decision and support it either way. Can you do same ???

 

[oldgroaner]

I didn't say which way for them to decide. I,m putting faith in them to make correct decision and support it either way. Can you do same ???

No

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[Zlatan]

But what is the correct answer?
KudosDave

In my opinion leave, but if MPs decide otherwise so be it. That's how democracy works.

 

[Zlatan]

No

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At least you give an honest answer but it leads to division and anarchy.

 

[oldgroaner]

At least you give an honest answer but it leads to anarchy.

No it leads to democracy what you suggest is subservience

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[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I didn't say which way for them to decide. I,m putting faith in them to make correct decision and support it either way. Can you do same ???

democracy and debate means we don't have to support a decision we don't agree with doesn't it?

 

[Zlatan]

No it leads to democracy what you suggest is subservience

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.Utter rubbish.

 

[Zlatan]

democracy and debate means we don't have to support a decision we don't agree with doesn't it?

So how do you suggest we move forward. Apartheid perhaps.Leavers and remainers ???
How many dissenting voices have there to be to take control, and then what? The other voices start dissenting.
Democracy is also about accepting majority decision. Yes I understand your arguments re referendum but not accepting parliamentary decision is bordering on revolt. Is that what you want ?

 

[oldgroaner]

.Utter rubbish.

Only a fool submits meekly to something they don't agree with

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