Brexit, for once some facts.

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I wonder whether Theresa May is still a Remainer but is stuck now in going for hard Brexit,she is paranoid about controlling immigration and knows that to do so we have to exit the single market and customs union.
She ignores completely all the bad news from big employers such that nothing else matters except controlling immigration...I wonder what would happen if the boss of Nissan came out and said he is closing the Sunderland plant,I feel she will accept that as collateral damage.
There are some in the EU who are making noises that immigration control should be an EU decision and some mechanism introduced to achieve some degree of control.
Theresa May must be under considerable stress,she is a bright lady who must know that hard Brexit can only end in economic suicide but how does she get off this voyage to disaster and still keep her PM job....that is her dilemma.
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She did the sensible thing, a white paper.
I think the economic risks are real enough threats but overplayed by remainers.
The key point is non-tariff barriers affect mainly fintech, manufacturing can avoid most of the ill-effect.
 
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it should have been 11 to nil.
The three dissenting judges clearly made a mistake in only considering the UK aspects, ignoring the provisions of article 50.

Their dissenting ruling was that the executive could trigger article 50, but adding that parliamentary approval was needed to complete leaving the EU.

Their mistake was in not considering that triggering article 50 meant leaving could be inevitable, since reversal is effectively subject to the approval of other member countries. This takes the final decision on whether we leave or not out of the hands of parliament, making the second part of their dissenting ruling nonsensical.
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that is why I thought Mr Corbyn's response is wrong. Labour should oppose A50 first, wait for white paper discussion to complete then vote again. An important decision such as A50 needs more time.
It should also a free vote, like the one that started the referendum.
 

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Let's leave the insults aside, oldtom.
The point is, it's non-sensical to treat half of the UK as brexitidiots to borrow your terminology. It has to stop if you want to convince a minimum of 10% brexit voters to change their mind.
Perhaps they would if someone would offer to shut up the outpourings of the Daily Mail and Express that become more rabid every day?
 
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She did the sensible thing, a white paper.
I think the economic risks are real enough threats but overplayed by remainers.
The key point is non-tariff barriers affect mainly fintech, manufacturing can avoid most of the ill-effect.
I trust the white paper is soft, suitably absorbent, medicated with luck and suitably perforated at intervals for easy tearing?
Seriously though much deeper considerations are being ignored, actually none of that is as important as the loss of restraint that being a member of the EU imposed on the rabid Tory politicians, after Brexit watch all hell break out.
 
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Did indeed, my vocabulary is larger than my literacy
Don't let that bother you, no less a genius than Einstein believed if you can't express something in simple terms, then you didn't understand it very well.

Having a fancy education, is a good start, but as Soichiro Honda once said
"If you haven't got a good education, you have to learn how to think"

It's continuing the educational process by your own efforts throughout your life that matters, not being sure you already know everything once formal education is over.

You express yourself every bit as well as everyone else, my friend, better still you don't seek to baffle and confuse.
 
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.......Don't work for me

I m a believer in the Homer Simpson rule .. if at first you don't succeed it was never meant to be...
From now on all my emoticon s will be stealthy.
Use the force young skywalker!
 

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I trust the right paper is suitably absorbent, medicated with luck and suitably perforated at intervals for easy tearing?
Seriously though much deeper considerations are being ignored, actually none of that is as important as the loss of restraint that being a member of the EU imposed on the rabid Tory politicians, after Brexit watch all hell break out.
One way to find out how much the EU is worth is to see it from the outside, don't you agree?
By the time brexit happens, inflation would have come down a fair bit, the economic risks would have been reduced.
 

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Yes , I guess you would...
That's the problem in a nutshell, he has been employing Intelligence instead of listening to the siren sounds of a pack of congenital liars.

Try it and you too will quickly see what a pig in a poke Brexit really is.

The name should really be changed to Brexodus, as we are being led out into the wilderness in the hope of a fictional promised land.
 
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It's continuing the educational process by your own efforts throughout your life that matters, not being sure you already know everything once formal education is over.
How very true. With the wartime education system, two pathetic village schools I suffered and only having part time schooling some years, once my formal education was over the only thing I really knew well was that I hated school.

I'm told they are better now, but I'm not so sure. I think their main purpose is as daytime prisons for children to enable parents to work and pay taxes.
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One way to find out how much the EU is worth is to see it from the outside, don't you agree?
By the time brexit happens, inflation would have come down a fair bit, the economic risks would have been reduced.
I'm still waiting for you to give me the source of your optimism.

Because so this week people like
Airbus
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38731306
Microsoft
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-latest-news-microsoft-major-companies-pull-business-from-uk-jobs-import-tariffs-eu-single-a7543641.html

and others are warning of the negative impacts of leaving the Single Market.
 
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oldgroaner

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One way to find out how much the EU is worth is to see it from the outside, don't you agree?
By the time brexit happens, inflation would have come down a fair bit, the economic risks would have been reduced.
And the media will be busily covering up the level of poverty in the country, pretend people are not being robbed of their protection and rights, and the environment is going downhill in the pursuit of profit.
No thank you
 
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That was because they knew in advance that they would lose the case so were prepared to make the resigned statement. As I posted before the Supreme Court decision, the court had absolutely no choice but to find as it did.

In taking the case to the court, the government weren't hoping for miracles, they were just hoping to convince the public that they had some right on their side. They didn't have of course, they had no case at all.
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That's no excuse for Gina and co using it as an opportunity to offer their own indoctrination, which is precisely what both statements amounted to..
 

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How very true. With the wartime education system, two pathetic village schools I suffered and only having part time schooling some years, once my formal education was over the only thing I really knew well was that I hated school.

I'm told they are better now, but I'm not so sure. I think their main purpose is as daytime prisons for children to enable parents to work and pay taxes.
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To give some idea of scale on this, My sister who was older than I went to no less than 14 schools in Hull during the war years, only the last school survived albeit so damaged that more than half the windows were painted cardboard, and I went to that School in classes that averaged 45, and even one year reached 55 for one term before a new school was built to take some of the pupils.
The school was unheated, but it was not necessary with the number of bodies per class!
 
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That's no excuse for Gina and co using it as an opportunity to offer their own indoctrination, which is precisely what both statements amounted to..
And why not? the papers have vilified the the judges for the second day so it's time someone came out against this utterly mad idea
 

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Let's leave the insults aside, oldtom.
The point is, it's non-sensical to treat half of the UK as brexitidiots to borrow your terminology. It has to stop if you want to convince a minimum of 10% brexit voters to change their mind.
He cant.
 

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To give some idea of scale on this, My sister who was older than I went to no less than 14 schools in Hull during the war years, only the last school survived albeit so damaged that more than half the windows were painted , and I went to that School in classes that averaged 45, and even one year reached 55 for one term before a new school was built to take some of the pupils.
The school was unheated, but it was not necessary with the number of bodies per class!
Huhhh....you were lucky...we had lessons in an old shoe box...
But OG WTF has your depraved ,sorry deprived, upbringing got to do with it ??
 
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And the media will be busily covering up the level of poverty in the country, pretend people are not being robbed of their protection and rights, and the environment is going downhill in the pursuit of profit.
No thank you
If that happens, the next general election is May 2020.
 

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