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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Davis' softening stance left me with mixed feelings. with the pound's devaluation, boris saying immigrants are welcome, it all suddenly feels very anti-climactic, pre-determined (may and Boris's little expedient exercise in playing with the masses was always going to end in a u-turn) . as if I...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    To acclamitise to brexit i think we should all have chunks of unwashed intestinal tract,washef down with fresh pigs blood and protein fed sheep brain
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    there is streptococcus suis, but I think it's outrageous that the eu tries to protect citizens from it, we should al be, er, free to drink fresh pigs' blood as part of brexit, and I think Nige should stand up for our right to do it!
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    this debate has become about money, economy...may I remind all of you that the objective of the European union was to bring member states closer together with respect of human rights and democracy: see third paragraph down on this https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union this matters, id...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    s "swell foop" would have made a passable name for a sailboat (except for screaming it over a VHF as a mayday in an F10)..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'm originally from a part of Africa where until recently the average life expectancy was 37. I made it to Europe on the back of my qualifications, professional activity. it would have been much, much, much, much (much) easier if I had come from within the eu (say a poor region like Lithuania)...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    well, the telegraph quoting him says "he believes he has a moral responsibility to raiser this as an issue" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/30/boris-johnson-calls-forillegal-immigrants-granted-amnesty-afterbrexit/ how does one begin to describe this. boris has never had a "moral...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    in reality its a navel gazing tory party prepared to gamble with this country for the stake of resolving its inner dispute; and a deliberate programme of misinformation aimed at the older xenophobic part of the electorate that has knocked confidence in the uk (by imposing a brexit business model...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    the thing that I find most upsetting (note, I'm not being rude), is the contrived inferences, as you point out, the attempts to influence the readers, electorate - infuse them with xenophobia. it's the kind of disingenuous /manipulating/politicking that made voters choose this cluster cockup...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    blimey, are you sure? heard him on radio with eddie mayer (waxing about being british and hating everyone) and thought, blimey, that absolutely MUST be heinrich Himmler's ugly younger brother?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I do see your point. wales - one of the biggest recipients of eu funding - voted leave. so what to do when faced with uninformed voters taking out their frustration, wrongly, on bodies that have not done them any harm? clearly trying to educate them hasn't worked (too logical). what would an...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    well thanks for a thoughtful response. my problem is that I arrived at a similar post mortem than you (it being about an experience of powerlessness). but with a difference. it felt a bit like a case of divorce. a (truly noxiously) bad parent (a rank tory government screwing the poor for all its...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    true, but what else to do amidst brexit? here's to hoping blewit returns with an articulate, meaningful rationale for the reason for this mess we've been tipped into
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    call me naïve, but I more or less trust carney, I think he anticipates serious headwinds to the economy, and that he used whatever levers BoE has to try to head it off, and perhaps that's a small part of the reason why the economy is still just about choking along? clearly the uk economy isn't...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    or even boat, on a semi serious note, how about explaining which part of my post was mad?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Oh I don't know. The great hub versus derailleur fracas was pretty ugly, and it was nothing compared to the hub versus crank divide. Soon now let pen will win the French presidential election and the Italian referendum on constitutional change will go the wrong way. Then we will find ourselves...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    but - and this is serious - labelling us isn't an argument for brexit. weve all been waiting for 360 pages for that - a remotely comprehensible rationale for brexit (i.e. not closet racism, para-suicidality or limited understanding of the way the world works)?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    in my line of work there's a joke that people are either mad, bad, sad or glad (as a very basic nosology). any other than excessively bad is ok (which is why its ok to feel ambivalent about castro but not hitler)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    fidel castro is not hitler. not condemning hitler is on par with not condemning any other crimes against humanity, such as paedophilia. you're trying to find a way to make it possible to say something good about Hitler. I'm afraid I'm all too familiar with this way of trying to quietly drag...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    many of those road networks were built by slave labour from concentration camps. what does a wonderful economy look like to you: one in which workers spend most of their time supporting a fascist war? I'm afraid being an apologist for Hitler does make one a fascist.