Brexit, for once some facts.

oldtom

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And this is in the Sun?
Mind you it could be April the 1st... oh, no it isn't.
As I said OG, you really couldn't make up this stuff! These politicians need their heads banging together as we can't just all jump off the cliff like lemmings to satisfy the egos of lunatics like Farage, Johnson and the three clowns deputed by May to lead negotiations.

Proper parliamentary debate is required and a decision based on such information as may then be available must be the way forward.

Tom
 

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Over course of this thread you have called posters scum, idiots, bigoted and shameful.
To be fair I have read that and worse on this thread.

It has been questioned on several occasions why there is a distinct lack of participants on this thread, particularly in respect to input from the leavers corner. I will give my viewpoint on this. I have followed and digested every single post from the beginning, and have been prompted to reply on several occasions but I just cannot bring myself to do so. The reason? I highly dislike both the tone and vitriol of the main protagonists. This is a shame as there is some good content from said individuals, but emotions have on many occasions simply become way out of control. Put bluntly, if I was in a pub having the same discussion with you gents I would have finished up my Bishops Finger and left gracefully some time ago, for you to punch it out at closing time whilst I supped my nightcap in front of the fire. Unfortunately, the situation here is nothing new, I have personally seen long term friendships end over disagreements between their referendum choice and it seems that certain individuals find it impossible to show restraint with the way they communicate. Further compounding the matter on this particular thread is the mob mentality which I highly dislike and I would feel exactly the same if it was from the leavers.

To be frank I am amazed that this thread has not been locked, especially given the otherwise friendly and polite tone shown everywhere else on the site.

By the way I voted remain, but as stated above I will not post my comments on Brexit as I would not feel comfortable with others feeling I was sidelining/supporting certain other individuals on here.

Make of the above what you will. It will be my first and last post on the thread. My only hope is that a new member may read it and will not make judgement on the rest of the site that we are all a shower of emotionally charged animals.
 

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To be fair I have read that and worse on this thread.

It has been questioned on several occasions why there is a distinct lack of participants on this thread, particularly in respect to input from the leavers corner. I will give my viewpoint on this. I have followed and digested every single post from the beginning, and have been prompted to reply on several occasions but I just cannot bring myself to do so. The reason? I highly dislike both the tone and vitriol of the main protagonists. This is a shame as there is some good content from said individuals, but emotions have on many occasions simply become way out of control. Put bluntly, if I was in a pub having the same discussion with you gents I would have finished up my Bishops Finger and left gracefully some time ago, for you to punch it out at closing time whilst I supped my nightcap in front of the fire. Unfortunately, the situation here is nothing new, I have personally seen long term friendships end over disagreements between their referendum choice and it seems that certain individuals find it impossible to show restraint with the way they communicate. Further compounding the matter on this particular thread is the mob mentality which I highly dislike and I would feel exactly the same if it was from the leavers.

To be frank I am amazed that this thread has not been locked, especially given the otherwise friendly and polite tone shown everywhere else on the site.

By the way I voted remain, but as stated above I will not post my comments on Brexit as I would not feel comfortable with others feeling I was sidelining/supporting certain other individuals on here.

Make of the above what you will. It will be my first and last post on the thread. My only hope is that a new member may read it and will not make judgement on the rest of the site that we are all a shower of emotionally charged animals.
If I may point out a few observations of my own.
"To be frank I am amazed that this thread has not been locked, especially given the otherwise friendly and polite tone shown everywhere else on the site."
I suspect that it hasn't as the Moderators take the view that Discussion is a good thing, and that "Nuking the City" is not the perfect solution to dealing with the couple of trouble makers among the inhabitants.
And I would point out that the main protagonists are quite evenly matched, and many of the exchanges are not without a certain humour.
"I have followed and digested every single post from the beginning, and have been prompted to reply on several occasions but I just cannot bring myself to do so. The reason? I highly dislike both the tone and vitriol of the main protagonists."
That is disappointing, and yet you stayed with us thus far, so there must have been some reason for doing so, surely?
The subject under discussion does indeed engender strong passions, and quite rightly so, as it is of central importance to the future, and for that reason I hope that the thread continues, as to just going by the vast numbers of reads it has had, it engages a high level of interest.
For my own behaviour where it has offended apologies are extended,
 
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Following on from all of the excitement of, "the memo" we have all overlooked the appointment of Mr Paul Nuttall as the new United Kingdom Independence Party leader.

I think that I speak for all contributors to this thread when I wish Mr Nuttall every success in his new role. Having single handedly brought about the hugely successful BREXIT vote, Mr Farage leaves behind a big pair of shoes which require filling, a task which I believe that Mr Nuttall is capable of accomplishing. He resonates with the mood of many Labour voters and I foresee The United Kingdom Independence Party going from strength to strength, particularly as BREXIT stalls and May backslides on earlier promises made. Mr Nuttall and his party will exert great influence at the next general election.

Of course, we must pay tribute to Nigel and all that he has achieved as leader, and look forward to him benefiting the country even more once May swallows her ego and appoints him to the role of United Kingdom's Trade Ambassador to the United States. Together with Donald Trump, I feel confident that great things will happen.
 

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Following on from all of the excitement of, "the memo" we have all overlooked the appointment of Mr Paul Nuttall as the new United Kingdom Independence Party leader.

I think that I speak for all contributors to this thread when I wish Mr Nuttall every success in his new role. Having single handedly brought about the hugely successful BREXIT vote, Mr Farage leaves behind a big pair of shoes which require filling, a task which I believe that Mr Nuttall is capable of accomplishing. He resonates with the mood of many Labour voters and I foresee The United Kingdom Independence Party going from strength to strength, particularly as BREXIT stalls and May backslides on earlier promises made. Mr Nuttall and his party will exert great influence at the next general election.

Of course, we must pay tribute to Nigel and all that he has achieved as leader, and look forward to him benefiting the country even more once May swallows her ego and appoints him to the role of United Kingdom's Trade Ambassador to the United States. Together with Donald Trump, I feel confident that great things will happen.
Oh tillson! what can I say ? you have excelled yourself!
May I just offer an observation, Farage has actually left behind a pair of jackboots that his predecessor does indeed look like filling as he is muttering something about wanting to "Ban the Burkha" already.
The Telegraph Cartoonist sums up the situation rather well

Thank you once again for brightening my morning with a hearty chuckle!
Your biggest fan. OG
 
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oldgroaner

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Blimey! Is that his real name? I could have sworn it's Rick Mayall......are you absolutely sure?

Tom
Come on now Tom, who would willingly adopt a nom de guerre like that one?
It is simply one of those crosses that the man has to bear in life.
Apart from it being his turn to be temporary leader of course, but that is again just random bad luck at work.
 
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tillson

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It's a schoolboy error to underestimate individuals & the public's mood.

BREXIT

Donald Trump

The Conservative Party

Adrian Edmondson is a really nice man. I have met him a few times and so have many of my colleagues. We all agree that he is kind and generous with his time. I don't know what his political views are or whether he is pro or anti BREXIT.

His wife comes from good military stock with a fine pedigree, so I imagine they are pro BREXIT, but that's just a guess.
 
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Just watching a Labour MP on BBC News Room live trying to get a few RAF pilots and crews killed.

They are advocating flying over Aleppo and dropping supplies. Where is the EU on this? If it's going to be done, shouldn't the EU be coordinating and supplying aircraft and crews from the member states?
 

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Just watching a Labour MP on BBC News Room live trying to get a few RAF pilots and crews killed.

They are advocating flying over Aleppo and dropping supplies. Where is the EU on this? If it's going to be done, shouldn't the EU be coordinating and supplying aircraft and crews from the member states?
International humanitarian supplies and peacekeeping are UN functions. They should be co-ordinating member nations efforts.

Complication is that the mainland EU nations and Britain are on the wrong side and the other side are also UN members.
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Just watching a Labour MP on BBC News Room live trying to get a few RAF pilots and crews killed.

They are advocating flying over Aleppo and dropping supplies. Where is the EU on this? If it's going to be done, shouldn't the EU be coordinating and supplying aircraft and crews from the member states?
Afraid that's way out of EU,s remit. They have more urgent issues, destroying imperialism..( well imperial units anyway)
 

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Blimey! Is that his real name? I could have sworn it's Adrian Edmondson......are you absolutely sure?

Tom
blimey, are you sure? heard him on radio with eddie mayer (waxing about being british and hating everyone) and thought, blimey, that absolutely MUST be heinrich Himmler's ugly younger brother?
 
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Afraid that's way out of EU,s remit. They have more urgent issues, destroying imperialism..( well imperial units anyway)
We did that in the UK government's 1980 act which removed legal standing from Imperial measures.

It did contain one concession, imperial measures could be used in traditional descriptions, for example 32" TV and 5' Christmas Tree, while not implying any actionable quantity.
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Zlatan

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We did that in the UK government's 1980 act which removed legal standing from Imperial measures.

It did contain one concession, imperial measures could be used in traditional descriptions, for example 32" TV and 5' Christmas Tree, while not implying any actionable quantity.
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Not quite right Flecc.
Under EU directive 80/181/ EEC we were allowed ( thanks) to display any products we wished in any units we wished as long as none we larger than SI units. That was until 2009 , from which date same directive said we must sell in SI units. The earlier 1980 directive was advisory. After 2009 advertising/ displaying in dual units was illegal.( under mentioned directive)
 
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oldtom

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As one who is totally ambivalent about which measures my fuel, groceries, shoe and clothing sizes are recorded in, I'm not terribly bothered if change occurs whether we are in or out of the EU.

I do find the linkage between litres and kilos quite clever so I confess to being a fan of the metric system. That said, I still prefer to talk about miles per gallon but I think such anomalies and idiosyncrasies are a kind of quaint reminder of our history and connection to other systems of measuring and quantifying the things in which we deal.

Sadly, the case of the Sunderland greengrocer who was one of only a handful of fruit and veg sellers ever prosecuted for their refusal to advertise, weigh and sell in metric units comes back to mind. This was the case:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/brussels-backs-down-over-plans-to-outlaw-pounds-and-ounces-6580981.html

A more contemporary view on the matter which demonstrates just how passionate some people are about weights and measures is illustrated in this article:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/30/rising-number-of-british-businesses-want-to-abandon-metric-use-old-measurements/

When one thinks of how long we have adopted metric measurements in track and field athletics, including school and university sports, I find it curious that so many of our young people still use some of the old imperial measurements such as mpg, a pint of lager, lbs/sq.in for their tyres and in answer to the question, 'How tall are you?', it's very rare to hear a young person answer in the metric way - usually, it's 5'-11" or 6'-2".....or whatever. It makes me wonder about our education system!

It seems such a long time ago that Ovett and Coe shared the middle-distance Olympic gold medals in metres. Strangely, while I'm resident in my Spanish place, sometimes I'll order 'una cerveza grande' at the pub which draws the response, 'Si, pinta!' Such is the power of travelling language!

Vive la difference!

Tom
 
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oldgroaner

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Just watching a Labour MP on BBC News Room live trying to get a few RAF pilots and crews killed.

They are advocating flying over Aleppo and dropping supplies. Where is the EU on this? If it's going to be done, shouldn't the EU be coordinating and supplying aircraft and crews from the member states?
ER pardon me for asking, but the EU hasn't so far as I can recall got a problem over its conscience for Air strikes and Drone assassinations it comitted, nor frightening droves of unfortunate people from their homes to atone for, has it?
I.M.H.O. (in apology to the thought Police)
 
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