Brexit, for once some facts.
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Generally speaking, the kind of people who support the notion of a federal European state are not racist. Now, hatred of foreign peoples would probably discourage haters from subscribing to any such venture.
There is a serious question which arises from the fact that we know there is a large number of those who do hate foreign people, foreign food, foreign languages foreign institutions, if not all of those, then at least some.
The question is: Why do people hate?
The lady in this short clip explains:
Tom
There is a serious question which arises from the fact that we know there is a large number of those who do hate foreign people, foreign food, foreign languages foreign institutions, if not all of those, then at least some.
The question is: Why do people hate?
The lady in this short clip explains:
Tom
I plead not guilty and ask for 2166 other offences to be taken into consideration.
Reasonable self awareness skills then OG. Cant be all bad.. I suppose.
Tom
Fair point but voting in or out is not a measure of a persons racist tendencies. Most racist person I know voted stay. You simply cant generalise. People,s reasons for supporting brexit, even if misplaced, are many and varied.
Almost 30% didn't vote and rightly or wrongly the leave section cared most turned out and voted. The youth vote, so important for remain, and now being hailed as saviour of remain, couldn't even be bothered to vote.
Yes ,Kudos might be right. We may not leave but whatever happens its this process and not its result which is destroying our country. Its this continued circular repetitive debate that is polarizing people and knocking confidence in Uk.
Tom
Fair point but voting in or out is not a measure of a persons racist tendencies. Most racist person I know voted stay. You simply cant generalise. People,s reasons for supporting brexit, even if misplaced, are many and varied.
Almost 30% didn't vote and rightly or wrongly the leave section cared most turned out and voted. The youth vote, so important for remain, and now being hailed as saviour of remain, couldn't even be bothered to vote.
Yes ,Kudos might be right. We may not leave but whatever happens its this process and not its result which is destroying our country. Its this continued circular repetitive debate that is polarizing people and knocking confidence in Uk.
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Even those from the Thought police? so kind of you to give permission
I.M.H.O, it goes without saying, have you tried that yet?
"Historical reasons. The first predecessor institution, the Common Assembly of the European Coal and Steel Community, met in Strasbourg because it could not be accommodated at the seat of the European Coal and Steel Community in Luxembourg. This developed into today's European Parliament. Most of the Parliament would like to move the seat to Brussels because most other European institutions (notably the Commission) are there, but France would not agree to give up the Strasbourg seat. So they compromised on the Parliament doing most of its meaningful work (in the committees) at Brussels and having most of its plenary sessions (i.e. speechifying) at Strasbourg."
Another French thing...
Its reckoned for every 4 posters posting on any forum there are only 3 people, so one person in 4 is arguing with herself....( the rest with OG)
So some are capable of starting arguments in empty houses...
No the lack of action is the problem, and waiting for an act of God to save the day.
Debating makes no difference whatsoever.
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It appears communication with this reality has broken down again.
Are you making a pitch for the resident Looney position ?
It's mine!
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in reality its a navel gazing tory party prepared to gamble with this country for the stake of resolving its inner dispute; and a deliberate programme of misinformation aimed at the older xenophobic part of the electorate that has knocked confidence in the uk (by imposing a brexit business model that cannot work on it) and polarised the society with its ethnocentrism.
but thanks for - so visibly - trying to propagate the myth that being unhappy with brexit is the problem, as so many other brexiters do.
On the credit side it is worth mentioning that Zlatan descended on us like a wolf on the Fold with a desire to drain the swamp, and has now settled down to romp with the resident alligators...
Mud, mud, glorious mud.
We must be either Habit Forming of a sort intellectual "Sticky Toffee Wrapper"
And honestly he isn't me, he really is Dear Nigel in Stealth Mode.
Usual Caveat of I.M.H.O etc., etc .
He is the obvious champion of the "Can't make my mind up" faction, and brings a whole new insight into the discussion, despite that unintended slip when he agreed with me about the lack of action.
Still, like being elected Chairman of UKIP accidents happen.
Meanwhile I'm slipping out for an hour as the house next door is empty and just dying for an argument.
Last two posts are beautifully written..dont agree with either really but next time I want to read eloquent prose I,ll re read them...
Brilliant ..
Nigel.
Brilliant ..
Nigel.
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One of the inevitable consequences of exiting the EU is that many rights and entitlements we have come to take for granted over recent years will disappear for those lucky enough to still have a job, in particular.
Many of those benefits were won for us by great trades unions and a lot of what was achieved has come to be enshrined in EU laws. Once unshackled by regulations which protect workers' rights, corporate Britain will have a field day with their employees, their conditions, contracts, H&S, pay rates, indeed every aspect of working life. Worse, the avenue to the ECJ will no longer be available and UK domestic, industrial tribunals which have become politicised and now incur a cost before even getting a case before one, will fail to protect working people.
This little infographic may be wryly amusing but there is so much truth in the message that people should be scared, very scared. I wonder how many 'Brexidiots' gave a thought to such matters before casting their vote in the June referendum?
Tom
Many of those benefits were won for us by great trades unions and a lot of what was achieved has come to be enshrined in EU laws. Once unshackled by regulations which protect workers' rights, corporate Britain will have a field day with their employees, their conditions, contracts, H&S, pay rates, indeed every aspect of working life. Worse, the avenue to the ECJ will no longer be available and UK domestic, industrial tribunals which have become politicised and now incur a cost before even getting a case before one, will fail to protect working people.
This little infographic may be wryly amusing but there is so much truth in the message that people should be scared, very scared. I wonder how many 'Brexidiots' gave a thought to such matters before casting their vote in the June referendum?
Tom
That should get a queue of the magnitude of the one Boris encouraged to protest outside the Russian Embassy!
I.M.H.O.
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