Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Where's Yorkshire,is that in England????hehe

No, absolutely not! as a Yorkshireman I can categorically deny that.
In keeping with the spirit of Brexit is Brexit, it is actually part of the kingdom of Northumbria, which stretched from the Humber up North as far as and including Edinburgh.

Eric Bloodaxe being the last king (died in 954) so there is a vacancy on the throne at the moment.
My Ancestral clan (Bells) were such great believers in free movement of goods services and people that they offered a 24 hour takeaway and or delivery service as required.
Not so much Rob Roy as Rob Everybody, which is after all a concept that has been embraced with enthusiasm by the Conservative Party and renamed as various things like "Income Tax" or "Death Duties" and of course "Bedroom Tax" which the Bells introduced oh so long ago by the expedient of coming in through the window on a dark night.
I.M.H.O etc, etc.

 

[oldgroaner]

Does it really make any difference OG ??
Results speak volumes. How long has eu been operating ?
How much redistribution of investment/ wealth has it created? What incentives are offered for major corporations to move to Greece ? Spain? Lithuania? And how many have moved to Luxembourg ? France ? Germany ? Because of favourable tax concessions those countries can give...which the likes of Greece cant compete with because of eu law ??? Luxembourg has thousands of major corporations enjoying tax conditions illegal in other parts of eu ? And why ? Because Juhnkers is ex Luxembourg priminister !!!
UK can offer those same incentives ....but we have to leave EU to do so ???

Indeed it does, so why not answer the question? it's simple enough .

 

[Zlatan]

And just to put cat amongst pigeons.
Its estimated Luxembourg cost the United States 95 billion dollars ( 2012) in lost corporation tax.Luxembourg charge 1% handling on cash flow through country, but in doing so save 16% in corporation tax (USA 35% Luxembourg 19 or 20%) How long will Trump put up with that ???
OG
Yes they sit in groups ..( or so I believe) It helps translators.( The army of them)

But dont worry ..Blair is coming. He,ll sort it all out..our champion of just and worthy causes...he has that damned Chilcot thing to disgrace first ...and if anyone knows of whereabouts of WMD can you plant them in Iraq..He could focus on eu then...what a farce.
Surely you must know cause is both lost and unjust when Blair wants to lead it.. Bit of a disgrace really.

And please notice how it is Luxembourg and not EU that has cost USA all that lost revenue. If EU were a single country we,d all be complicit and we,d all have a share..but we didn't ...Luxembourg keeps it...to share between all 3 Luxembourgers. ( joke , there are a few more)

 

[oldtom]

Where's Yorkshire,is that in England????hehe

I had occasion to visit N Yorkshire a couple of weeks ago Dave. My satnav took me there but I got a little bit concerned when it directed me north of Watford....it all gets a bit strange up there even though it's part of the EU and the local language is in fact a kind of English. Some words have different meanings though as 'It's beautiful round here' apparently means 'It is seriously desolate round here.'

Fortunately, I survived the experience and won't be going so far north ever again.....well, not unless the month starts with a 'J'!

This is the part of the country about which the former Chancellor joked would become part of a great northern powerhouse once we spend billions on HS2 - 3 - 4. I can't see the point in that - why not spend much, much less and expand Enfield, Waltham Forest, Redbridge and Havering northwards into Ware, Hertford, Bishops Stortford and Harlow making that the northern powerhouse? An enlarged Stansted would then be right on London's doorstep and the tribes in those desolate wastes north of Watford could be left in peace. Makes sense to me!

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

OG
Yes they sit in groups ..( or so I believe) It helps translators.( The army of them)


What kind of groups do the MEPS sit in?

 

[oldtom]

it is actually part of the kingdom of Northumbria, which stretched from the Humber up North as far as and including Edinburgh.

.......and with a language that predates English as we know it. Mind you, English as we know it, still hasn't fully caught on in some parts of the kingdom!

Tom

 

[Zlatan]

OG
Yes they sit in groups ..( or so I believe) It helps translators.( The army of them)


What kind of groups do the MEPS sit in?

Small ones, so nurse can administer meds.?

 

[oldgroaner]

Just a little fun info on Lord Nigel
"
I wonder how he got away with this
"All 764 MEPs are required to attend the monthly plenary sessions held by the European parliament to debate legislative issues. "

Mr Farage only turned up to 40.7 per cent of all possible roll-call votes between July 2014 and May 2016.

This places him 745th out of 746 MEPs from across the different EU countries on the register.

The 746th is Brian Crowley, a MEP in Ireland who has never voted, according to the register.

A fall from a building left Mr Crowley paralysed from the waist down when he was 16 years old.

A spokesperson told the Irish Times in December 2014 that he had been in hospital for several months
And they want to make this Clown a lord?

 

[oldgroaner]

Small ones, so nurse can administer meds.?

You really can't answer the question, can you?

 

[derf]

And just to put cat amongst pigeons.
Its estimated Luxembourg cost the United States 95 billion dollars ( 2012) in lost corporation tax.Luxembourg charge 1% handling on cash flow through country, but in doing so save 16% in corporation tax (USA 35% Luxembourg 19 or 20%) How long will Trump put up with that ???
OG
Yes they sit in groups ..( or so I believe) It helps translators.( The army of them)

But dont worry ..Blair is coming. He,ll sort it all out..our champion of just and worthy causes...he has that damned Chilcot thing to disgrace first ...and if anyone knows of whereabouts of WMD can you plant them in Iraq..He could focus on eu then...what a farce.
Surely you must know cause is both lost and unjust when Blair wants to lead it.. Bit of a disgrace really.

And please notice how it is Luxembourg and not EU that has cost USA all that lost revenue. If EU were a single country we,d all be complicit and we,d all have a share..but we didn't ...Luxembourg keeps it...to share between all 3 Luxembourgers. ( joke , there are a few more)

this debate has become about money, economy...may I remind all of you that the objective of the European union was to bring member states closer together with respect of human rights and democracy: see third paragraph down on this
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
this matters, id argue to all of us here personally. ask yourself - would you rather live for twice the money in Detroit or Nice? quality of life has more to do with the way we structure society than money

 

[oldgroaner]

.......and with a language that predates English as we know it. Mind you, English as we know it, still hasn't fully caught on in some parts of the kingdom!

Tom

Here's a link to important BBC resource that our missionaries use when travelling south out of the borders of Gods Country, and trying to bring the light of civilisation to those benighted lands that were walls are made with Bricks and beer is sold (dare i say it?) in half pints, and people are packed in like sardines and people talk as if they have trapped their private parts in their trouser zips.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/voices2005/glossary/glossary.shtml

 

[Zlatan]

So I can play stooge to your major role OG...
I believe they sit in political groups. Communists to the left. Nazis to the right. Fascists somewhere in middle..err but go on then hit me !!! Enlighten us...

 

[oldgroaner]

this debate has become about money, economy...may I remind all of you that the objective of the European union was to bring member states closer together with respect of human rights and democracy: see third paragraph down on this
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
this matters, id argue to all of us here personally. ask yourself - would you rather live for twice the money in Detroit or Nice? quality of life has more to do with the way we structure society than money

This is very true and Hull, the City of Culture 2017 is a Glowing example of how grand a life style is to be had in Yorkshire where for example
" In 1999 the council began flattening some of the 10,000 empty homes, almost half of them council properties. More than 2,121 council homes have been razed, with 589 earmarked for demolition."
Some of the old Pubs fell below the Michelin Guide as they were too poor to have a woman come in every week to change the rats.
The change for the better came in 1940, when a comedian in the Tivoli Music hall in the Old town quipped the following immortal line.
"last night the luftwaffe visited the city and did £10 Million pounds worth of improvements.
City of Culture indeed! do come and be dazzled.

 

[oldgroaner]

So I can play stooge to your major role OG...
I believe they sit in political groups. Communists to the left. Nazis to the right. Fascists somewhere in middle..err but go on then hit me !!! Enlighten us...

then how if they are in pan European groups can they be pushing an agenda for just their own country as you seem to suggest?

 

[Zlatan]

Come on OG...thought this was some kind of knock knock joke...where,s the punch line.
What groups do MEPs sit in ??
Answers on a post card...

 

[Zlatan]

Not much of a punch line OG...mine was funnier and probably more accurate.
The relevant question is not where they sit but how they vote...
And ofcourse they can. Look what Farage has done...all for your benefit..

 

[Zlatan]

Just as an asside...the average turn out for MEP election is 40% across EU...reason... No fecker knows what they are voting for ?
Its completely barmy.

 

[oldgroaner]

Not much of a punch line OG...mine was funnier and probably more accurate.
The relevant question is not where they sit but how they vote...
And ofcourse they can. Look what Farage has done...all for your benefit..

I have already commented on his stellar performance record, but Farage works for Farage, first, second and last and frankly taking the salary and expenses under false pretences should have landed him in court long ago, and hopefully will one day.

 

[Kudoscycles]

I see the tory media has leapt to headline an improvement in the value of sterling as if it were down to some shrewd strategic plan from the British pro-'Brexit' camp. More likely, it is the case that the € and the $ have dipped a little due to matters other than the British intention but clutching at straws has always played a big part in their propaganda programme.

Those who are familiar with the work of Michael Rosen will know he's quite a clever chap who has produced lots of good written material over a number of years. He has expressed his opinion on the situation with regard to much of the Westminster 'politicking' which attracted some people to vote for 'Brexit', not understanding that the EU didn't create the mess Britain is in.

These are Rosen's words:

"Concerns about immigration"? Where does that come from?

The media keep saying:

"People are expressing concerns about immigration
People are expressing concerns about immigration
People are expressing concerns about immigration"

If you are registered as non-dom you can run a business
in the UK but pay no tax. This costs us billions.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration."

If the government cuts public services, they increase
pressure on public services.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration."

Since 1980, wealth has shifted from labour to capital.
In other words those that 'have', have more; those that
have the least, have less. Those that have the least
have given wealth to those that have more.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration"

The government regularly announces that it freezes
the wages of public service workers. This means that
people can afford less. Their living standards decline.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration"

The government has repeatedly brought in policies
which have helped to increase the price of houses.
The proportion of people's income required to rent or buy
has steadily risen. Flats and houses cost more to live in.
There is less space per pound of people's income.

"People are expressing concerns about immigration"

Some people do not know that the main reasons for their
standard of living to go down are nothing to do with immigration.
Instead, they keep hearing:

"People are expressing concerns about immigration."

You know what happens next?

some people express some concern about immigration.
After all, people can only think what they think
based on available information.
The media supply the available information.
They keep saying:

'People are expressing concerns about immigration."

The government laughs quietly to itself:
"People do not blame us for their living standards going down,
they blame immigration."

Tom

The concensus of opinion is that the £ is strengthening because Davis has said that the government is prepared to pay to stay in the single market and Boris seems to reveal that the government is not that bothered about immigration,him now supporting free movement.
David doesnt say how much we should pay,£11billion perhaps,hehe!!!
Must ask the question if we are prepared to pay to stay in the single market and are coming round to free movement of people,what are we trying to achieve by leaving????
KudosDave

 

[Zlatan]

You might be right but I assume you think Cameron, Blair, Osbourne should escape prosecution.
By the way our none democratic advisory referendum attracted a measly 72% turn out.
Now you tell me which is closer to democracy.

We,d get further away from the gangsters Dave.

And we should not pay a penny to stay in market. In or out. Halfway will never work, which is what you remainers will achieve.