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Just click the little smiley and they appear. I'm only messing. Drat hit the limiter last night and the bunch pounced on me

I was about to answer one point, but as you're ignoring us there's little point :p but seriously I think he'd say try both, it's impossible to predict which bike someone will like, and then over time just to compound the decision a change in a riders fitness could mean a different system now...

I hear you over here. ..

Charming o_O :p

Let me know when and I'll come and cheer you on. :)

It could prove an interesting hill for some retailers or owners out there to show just how good their bikes can climb hills. My experience of other e-bikes is extremely limited, although I do know my bike is not considered to be a good hill climber, so my time up there should be very easy to...

Not true, but I'll let you off. Winnats is a whole 300 feet more of climbing, and even with the more gentle gradients at the top and bottom included in my segment it has an average grade of 11% compared to Cromford at 9%. A whole different league really. Winnats...

We'll have to agree to disagree on this F mode.

All forgotten in a nanosecond if a precedent had been set whereby someone riding an S-pedelec was not prosecuted. Nothing to do with moral standards.

Sucked me in there, for a minute I actually thought you were trying to understand. Interesting thought there, if they're not much quicker it makes you wonder what all the opposition and fuss is all about. Oh and perhaps in future you should stick to the "They're not legal" then I won't get...

Yes I do understand that you're unable to comprehend why people view things differently than you.

I've had mine as high as pedalling at 38 mph and still getting up Winnats Pass, I'm running lower gearing currently, so all hills can be tackled in Tour with relative ease.

Weird isn't it. I can't understand anyone wanting to own and drive something other than say a Suzuki Alto :rolleyes:

A throttle on a bike is so so wrong, so that's the same as a CD on full power with a SS rather than a TS.

Efficient is the wrong word, I'd like to think that a motor producing less power and torque will indeed use less energy and therefore give more range. So just lower powered. The hub may eat into some of those savings though, perhaps it negates them all. My comments were more about you pedalling...

Here's one for the OP. http://www.strava.com/segments/10040936

I think I could do that in under 4 minutes, would that win your bike? :)

That's good then, my KTM just has horizontal drop-outs, which just isn't good enough given how often I have to adjust my chain.

Never. I might require a little more help up the hills though. I have my doubts about this whole F button, it sounds like an idea dreamed up by someone who doesn't actually ride a bike.

How do you adjust the tension?