Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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I watched the BBC interview of the retired policeman in the DG case. He did not impress me much to qualify as an 'expert computer forensic' when he mentioned his findings.
 
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using computers at work for private purposes is so commonplace that it's the norm. This forum for example is only busy Monday to Friday in business hours and it's always been that way for it's eleven years of existence. Many with a regular online presence admit to not even owning their own computer. Employers know this but do little or nothing about it.
Funny isn't it, I posted the above and immediately only myself and Woosh were left posting in this thread.

Guilty conscience everyone? :D
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I use my personal tablet at work never the company computer. And I only play games or look at tech sites and bike porn...
 
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anotherkiwi

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Context is everything! I do what I am paid for even while having lots of time to be on the web.
 
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They aren’t stupid. They project an ugly conceited confidence that they are above the law and punishment. Probably with good reason because this turd is going to get away with it and the police will be vilified for finding his wankbank.
I'm amazed that our resident "Thought Policeman" hasn't rounded on you for your "Robust" terminology tillson.
He would cerrtainly have had a fit and wet his nappy had I resorted to such descriptive and forthnight terminology.
I have learned something new today, being in support of Brexit results in him granting an "indulgence" for transgressions against the code he applies to remain supporters.
Someone help me here, what is the word for someone who behaves like that?
 
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oldgroaner

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It is this whole attitude that I disagree with, grossly exaggerating every aspect of such events, not just in respect of Damian Green but in respect of how anyone is treated in similar circumstances.

It is very much to do with the stupidly uptight Victorian attitudes to sex that persist in this country.
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There is indeed a very puzzling dichotomy in attitudes to sex these days and you have a point flecc, also of course without these faux outrages, the gutter press would be starved for headlines and face ruin, and as for the notion of expecting "integrity" from public figures, well that is a joke along these lines.
"When the Vicar in his sermon came to the commandment "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife"
He remembered where he had left his bike.
 
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The fact is Zlatan that using computers at work for private purposes is so commonplace that it's the norm. This forum for example is only busy Monday to Friday in business hours and it's always been that way for it's eleven years of existence. Many with a regular online presence admit to not even owning their own computer. Employers know this but do little or nothing about it.

But in this country if anyone dares to look at a soft porn image there's immediate outrage as if the crime of the century has been committed. Some in this thread have even idiotically compared looking at a legal pornographic image to the actitivities of child abusers like Savile and co.

That's what I mean by saying it's Victorian attitudes, totally over the top reaction to perfectly normal activities, simply because sex is present.

What is so different about looking longingly at a £5000 ebike or a pretty young woman clad in just enough material to make a handkerchief? They are mostly just fantasies, both far too expensive for the majority, and neither justify outrage.
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The fact is Zlatan that using computers at work for private purposes is so commonplace that it's the norm. This forum for example is only busy Monday to Friday in business hours and it's always been that way for it's eleven years of existence. Many with a regular online presence admit to not even owning their own computer. Employers know this but do little or nothing about it.

But in this country if anyone dares to look at a soft porn image there's immediate outrage as if the crime of the century has been committed. Some in this thread have even idiotically compared looking at a legal pornographic image to the actitivities of child abusers like Savile and co.

That's what I mean by saying it's Victorian attitudes, totally over the top reaction to perfectly normal activities, simply because sex is present.

What is so different about looking longingly at a £5000 ebike or a pretty young woman clad in just enough material to make a handkerchief? They are mostly just fantasies, both far too expensive for the majority, and neither justify outrage.
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I'm self employed so the argument with my employer involve some inner conflict and thinking about dead lines and the bottom line. i wouldn't worry so much IF Damian Green was treated exactly like other employees (i can imagine most turn a blind eye to browsing non work related stuff, but wouldn't do so to porn). i also really do not think he is doing his job (which with brexit should be keeping him busy). then there's the issue of porn addiction, i have a hunch green may well have been looking at more than pretty girls in tiny outfits. if I were to try to get on a moral high horse id say there is a boundary issue in there somewhere, haibike does not employ crack addict single moms or coerced illegal east European illegal migrants (which I experience as bad karma).
 

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yes, I guess if I were paying someone £250k a year (as we do through tax to green)all my natural hypocrisy would get going and i'd go ballistic if he didn't do 80 hours a week..
Why would he not have 168 hour weeks the same as the rest of humanity. What is he for 88 hours per week?
 
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It is this whole attitude that I disagree with, grossly exaggerating every aspect of such events, not just in respect of Damian Green but in respect of how anyone is treated in similar circumstances.

It is very much to do with the stupidly uptight Victorian attitudes to sex that persist in this country.
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That’s fair enough, but there needs to be consistency in the way we deal with such incidents. We see ordinary employees sacked and their families put through financial hardship for such acts whilst the likes of Green get away with it. The inconsistency and disparity in the way different groups of people are treated for exactly the same act undermines credibility.

If Green is going to get away with it, reinstate and compensate those who have been fired for doing exactly what he has done.
 

oldgroaner

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.. you will be spending a full week on the naughty step if my wife got to read your comments.... Its as meaningful to many as Wagners operas are to a few. Now don't get me started on cricket!!
Now you shouldn't really knock opera, after all it does keep the hooligans off the street!
 
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oldgroaner

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That’s fair enough, but there needs to be consistency in the way we deal with such incidents. We see ordinary employees sacked and their families put through financial hardship for such acts whilst the likes of Green get away with it. The inconsistency and disparity in the way different groups of people are treated for exactly the same act undermines credibility.

If Green is going to get away with it, reinstate and compensate those who have been fired for doing exactly what he has done.
There is an upside to this apparently Davis has threatened to resign if Green gets the push, this is a golden opportunity for him to to a Cameron or a "Boris" and bale out before he cops any flak.
 
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oldgroaner

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Flecc?? OG???
Not my bag, in my uncouth youth I was a trad Jazz fan, and played the skins too when the bands doing a gig had drunk too much beer.
Hull Jazz Club was that sort of outfit.
Frequently there was little difference between the Drunken Band and the Drunken Audience stand ins, especially as the night wore on.
As Les Dawson would have said
"It was a classy joint, they had a woman come in every week to change the Rats"
Thinking of that old Nissen Hut with the one 60 watt red light above the stage takes me back......

We used to get all the big names like Chris Barber and Acker Bilk after they had played for money at the City Hall, they would Taxi down to "Windsor Hall" (no relation to the other one) and play for Beer (sometimes they even paid for it) and frequently still be there at Dawn.
There were never any complaints about the noise as the lutwaffe has cleared the area all around the Hall, and thus any German Jazz band that visited was greeted with gratitude.
 
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