Brexit, for once some facts.

[SHAN]

Jacob Rees-Mogg 'met with Steve Bannon at London hotel to discuss US-UK politics'

That is frightening. Evil "Gussie Fink-Nottle" meets arch "Soobie Doo Baddie" in London hotel.

The press made an issue that they spent over an hour together, inference being this was long. Tesco managers will spend longer deciding on how to display tins of beans. Nice mention that "Bannon" also went on to meet the "Pied Piper" of Brussels, Nigel Silage, the rat that lead the people.

B-Annon, apparently wants conservativism for the people, as it works in America, and to share it with the UK. Reece Smog is apparently now trying to master the use of twitter, he's OK on the right wing discriminatory bit.

 

[Wicky]

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/deputy-pm-damian-green-splashes-out-on-new-computer/

The Deputy Prime Minister Damien Green has splashed out on a new computer after the old allegedly got ‘clogged up with data.’

A spokesperson for Green said: ‘Mr Green decided that it was time for some new equipment – some of the keys were starting to stick as well and the DVD drive wouldn’t open.’

’To be honest, he got a pretty good deal in the end, and we’ve already put Chrome on there with the incognito mode and everything.’

’His last screen had seen better days as well. Looked like a painter’s radio.’

A Downing Street insider said that his old system had been wiped clean and donated to charity.

 

[SHAN]

Who coined the two tags. "Brexiteer" and "Remoaner" that didn't happen by accident.

Brexiteer ; nice and happy, Remoaner ; glum and sad.

Best imagining Shane Richie as Brexiteer, then glum and sad is a happy alternative.

 

[Woosh]

Next time you are speeding down M1 and catch a glimpse of a white car coming up behind with lights on top I bet your heart rate goes up....perhaps not ??

No. I gave up driving over the speed limit after having my second child.

 

[Kudoscycles]

There we have it then, it's either a hard border or as I said, dump the DUP.

After all, they've just said they'll dump us if they feel inclined.
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But dumping the DUP is not an option for Theresa May.....don't forget if she upsets the DUP she loses not 10 votes but 20,if they vote against her. Sinn Fein could vote against a border,another minus 7.
She wouldn't get anything through the house.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

No. I gave up driving over the speed limit after having my second child.

Lucky you, being able to afford a chauffeur to do it.
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[Woosh]

Lucky you, being able to afford a chauffeur.
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that's my wife. I am fed up with having a back seat driver.

 

[Woosh]

But dumping the DUP is not an option for Theresa May.....don't forget if she upsets the DUP she loses not 10 votes but 20,if they vote against her. Sinn Fein could vote against a border,another minus 7.
She wouldn't get anything through the house.
KudosDave

the elite is conspiring against hard brexit.
when there is only one solution left, even the Express will have to take it.

 

[oldgroaner]

the elite is conspiring against hard brexit.
when there is only one solution left, even the Express will have to take it.

When there is only one solution left brexit won't happen

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[flecc]

the elite is conspiring against hard brexit.
when there is only one solution left, even the Express will have to take it.

Eventual soft Brexit Norwegian style?

Costing us £50 billions, the loss of our rebate and annual fees to continue borderless trading.
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[Danidl]

Prosecutions under that act are very rare and were never intended to protect the political class from the embarrassment that ensues from information about their sexual peccadillos reaching the public domain. Of course, such legislation is the perfect vehicle under which to hide information embarrassing to the government or the royal family and it is widely believed the spirit of the legislation has been abused, frequently in conjunction with the issue of DSMA (formerly just 'D') notices.

There are laws covering libel and slander which might be more relevant in cases such as that concerning Green but as you can probably imagine, it is dream material for the lawyers and the media. The OSA is something of a coverall piece of legislation which, by its invocation, can cause more intrigue than the matter might otherwise merit.

As far as the Damian Green matter is concerned, the policeman's tale and Green's denial of all knowledge of how porn was downloaded to his computer opens up a whole new, and possibly far more dangerous, can of worms. That is, if we are to believe Green's story!

The relevant part of the Act would be this section:

Information resulting from unauthorised disclosures or entrusted in confidence.

Tom

Civil servants, revenue, customs ,police tax inspectors even prison officers will come in contact with privileged information in the course of their duties. In Ireland, it would be an offense to publish this information. Its not only the right to privacy..an EU construct, but also an offense against the official secrets act. The only time when it is permissable to do so is when it is being provided as evidence in a court case. In which case the individual has a right in open court to refute it. The trust between the citizen and the state demands it. .. How could any business be prepared to give true dealings of their business affairs to tax inspectors unless there was an assurance that it was not going to appear in the daily papers or be provided to their competition?

Now occassionally this is breached, and the newspapers are always looking for scandal, but the principle is upnheld. The newspaper would not be in breach, but the official who released it would. There would be an outcry in the parliament. We would have had scandal s and inquiries where it was discovered that police had let it been known that a politician had been speeding, or broken the lights. It led to the downfall of a police commissioner.
I believe that your defense of the realm act, would even be more serious as it would involve treason

 

[Danidl]

But dumping the DUP is not an option for Theresa May.....don't forget if she upsets the DUP she loses not 10 votes but 20,if they vote against her. Sinn Fein could vote against a border,another minus 7.
She wouldn't get anything through the house.
KudosDave

SF would need to be present to vote.. a privilege they have not excercised ever...SF would wish me to say since 1919, but I am not prepared to give them that lineage.

 

[Woosh]

Eventual soft Brexit Norwegian style?

Costing us £50 billions, the loss of our rebate and annual fees to continue borderless trading.
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may have to wait until after the transition period.
At the moment, hard brexiters still try to hang on to the promise of a good FTA with Donald Trump.
May have to wait for that to be proven not as good as the FTA with the EU. Then the comparison will be between an FTA CETA style and membership of the EEA.

 

[flecc]

The police officer was absolutely correct in bringing this information to wider public attention.

Not so, and I'm pleased to note from current news that almost all very senior police officers agree with me that the ex officer was completely wrong to disclose this personal information, wrong in terms of his duty, privacy legislation and morally. He should be publically condemned and warned that his prosecution is still possible if he persists.

The only one siding with him is the officer in charge of the public standards division, so more than a little biased in his judgment. His argument is spurious, that disclosure was in the public interest. That is clearly wrong since the disclosing officer has himself acknowledged that Damian Green had done nothing illegal. The disclosure of legal private information is never in the public interest, as the Max Mosley test case proved in the courts, at the cost of the News of the World.
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[SHAN]

. He should be publically condemned and warned that his prosecution is still possible if he persists.

As a point of interest, where do you draw the line ?

As one prime example, there were those who were fully aware of what Cyril Smith was up to but kept/were made to, their mouths shut. I am making no comparison between that particular vile object and the case in discussion. It seems to be a habit with the way the law works in this country that the most serious offenders in high places, seem to be "outed" once they are dead, and are protected by "the establishment" while alive. Although some continue to enjoy this luxury in the afterlife.

 

[tillson]

Not so, and I'm pleased to note from current news that almost all very senior police officers agree with me that the ex officer was completely wrong to disclose this personal information, wrong in terms of his duty, privacy legislation and morally. He should be publically condemned and warned that his prosecution is still possible if he persists.

The only one siding with him is the officer in charge of the public standards division, so more than a little biased in his judgment. His argument is spurious, that disclosure was in the public interest. That is clearly wrong since the disclosing officer has himself acknowledged that Damian Green had done nothing illegal. The disclosure of legal private information is never in the public interest, as the Max Mosley test case proved in the courts, at the cost of the News of the World.
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Senior police officers will say anything in return for money, title & power. Those speaking out have either been bought off by a title, are acting under the promise of a future title or are chasing money through promotion. If the government shout $h!t, these characters will squat down and squeeze.

The evidence against Green seems to be very strong. Other non government individuals have had their lives wrecked by accusations backed up by far less evidence.

Green should have admitted this at an early stage and accepted that his conduct reflects badly on the image of our parliament. To deny the evidence is pathetic and to brand the police as liars and unethical is very wrong. Green has made himself unfit for purpose.

I guess the policeman has chosen to leak this information because it was being buried by parliament and ignored.

 

[tommie]

SF would need to be present to vote.. a privilege they have not excercised ever...SF would wish me to say since 1919, but I am not prepared to give them that lineage.

http://www.cityam.com/276779/donald-tusk-if-uks-brexit-offer-unacceptable-ireland-its
great strategy from Leo and Donald, have any of these two any idea of north/south relations... talk about backing yourselves into a corner !

A No Deal looms large

 

[flecc]

As a point of interest, where do you draw the line ?

I've already indicated that.

The line is drawn at private legal behaviour, underlined by the courts, and that applies to everyone, whether in public life or not.
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[Danidl]

http://www.cityam.com/276779/donald-tusk-if-uks-brexit-offer-unacceptable-ireland-its
great strategy from Leo and Donald, have any of these two any idea of north/south relations... talk about backing yourselves into a corner !

A No Deal looms large

Would a no deal ,and a hard border, be worse than a dishonest fudge? I really don't know the answer to that ... Its frying pan and fire. Would a deal where the UK steps back from a brink they all on their oneio walked up to be better for all.?, Including you in NI ? I have an answer for that.

 

[Danidl]

Senior police officers will say anything in return for money, title & power. Those speaking out have either been bought off by a title, are acting under the promise of a future title or are chasing money through promotion. If the government shout $h!t, these characters will squat down and squeeze.

The evidence against Green seems to be very strong. Other non government individuals have had their lives wrecked by accusations backed up by far less evidence.

Green should have admitted this at an early stage and accepted that his conduct reflects badly on the image of our parliament. To deny the evidence is pathetic and to brand the police as liars and unethical is very wrong. Green has made himself unfit for purpose.

I guess the policeman has chosen to leak this information because it was being buried by parliament and ignored.

Evidence is that which is presented in a court, not social media.
Now I have no truck with the UK government I have no interest in supporting any party or faction , but any private action by a private citizen or a public person, which is not illegal ,even if hypocritical, should not be leaked by any public servant, or former public servant. That is the ethical, legal and moral duty .
There is another consideration, in that elected politicans are not employees.They have no security of tenure . They are public representives. This does give them additional rights including the right to make statements about others under privilege. To assume that the norms for an employee apply to them is simplistic.