Brexit, for once some facts.

[soundwave]

Thankfully I don't have a television. Satan Cowell was the final straw for me.

you dont have to have a tv as how you posting this in the first place

i dont pay the tv licence because i dont watch any of that crap so why should i pay for something i dont use, plus it is only for the bbc anyway.

and now every device needs to be registered to use the iplayer anyway as cant even watch it on the virgin tv anywhere app as turned it of months ago.

 

[SHAN]

Back to "Brexit".

According to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, any post brexit trade deal with Trump is " a waste of time " (which I tend to agree with) based on the fact that he cannot be trusted. Ms May's embarrassing first meeting with the grand Orange One had echoes of Chamberlain. I really hope someone gets their act together and something positive starts rolling, sadly I fear a "perfect storm" is looming, sorry.

 

[SHAN]

and now every device needs to be registered to use the iplayer

I dispensed with that. I regularly receive letters informing me of potential time in jail for not having a license. Its G4s that do the checking up here, I've nothing to hide,but they will still be told to go away. Politely of course.

 

[soundwave]

but if you are in jail you can watch the bbc anyway for free pmsl

they gave up long ago they just send a letter to the occupier 1 or 2 times a year that goes in the bin.

get a kodi box

 

[Danidl]

There is an upside to this apparently Davis has threatened to resign if Green gets the push, this is a golden opportunity for him to to a Cameron or a "Boris" and bale out before he cops any flak.

I am not going to make any further on this basically irrelevant sidebar topic other than to ask an obvious question. Why has that policeman not been prosecuted under the official secrets act or your equivalent title. ? . Information obtained by officials in the course of their duty would be covered and retirement is not a defense.

 

[oldgroaner]

Fake News from the Daily Express this Morning (Along the lines of Bent Bananas)
"
End of the kebab? Takeaway owners furious at new EU crackdown
EUROPEAN Union officials have been accused of discrimination after attempting to ban high street kebabs.
"

The bloc is attempting to clamp down on phosphates used in the huge slabs of meat kept in kebab shops around the continent.

But eurocrats have been accused of doner discrimination after it was revealed they would not be considering the same ban for some types of sausages that also contain the chemical.

Baris Donmez, who owns a kebab shop in Berlin, said: “They are looking for ways to hurt Turkish businesses here.

"Such a ban would be the biggest pile of garbage imaginable."

Really?
from Medicine today
"Recent studies have demonstrated that phosphate also seems to damage blood vessels and induce aging processes. Many types of fast food contain phosphate additives, and fast foods are generally predominately consumed by those of lower socioeconomic status. It also appears that excessive phosphate consumption is associated with increased prevalence of cardiovascular diseases in the general population. "

And somehow the Express have managed to make it a race issue?

 

[oldgroaner]

The Daily Mail seems to have given up on news reporting and has been renamed.
The Daily Meghan.
Why does a very ordinary average young woman rate front page coverage, when the country is in it's present state?

Perhaps because the Murdoch press believe that brexit Voters are too dim to realise their attention is being diverted from what is going on in Parliament?
And even they can't figure out how to sell the U turn to a public they have incited against what is now happening.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
"
Jacob Rees-Mogg 'met with Steve Bannon at London hotel to discuss US-UK politics'
Former senior adviser to the President also meets with Nigel Farage during visit
“Brexit and the election of President Trump were inextricably linked, so the discussions focused on how we move forward with winning for the conservative movements on both sides of the pond,” Mr Kassam told the Guardian.

No conspiracy of course

 

[oldgroaner]

Project fear has become project reality
From the independent
Brexit: Bank bosses concerned over rewriting 'hundreds of thousands' of impossible contracts
Bankers highlight the growing risk of 'illegal' derivative contracts
A week ago, data from the European Banking Authority showed the scope of the issue, and that money is already on the move for that reason. European banks have slashed their UK assets by $425bn, driven by a 35 per cent drop in derivatives exposures. Insurance policies are affected too, with Carney saying that about £20bn of insurance liabilities in Britain could be affected without swift action.

 

[oldgroaner]

Here's a link for Zlatan
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remain-brexit-social-media-facebook-economy-pound-inflation-gdp-a8086426.html
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As a Remainer, I'd like to apologise to everyone for causing the pound to tank and inflation to skyrocket because of my negativity
Tutting about inflation is treason, sighing at possible job losses is sabotage and groaning about GDP is worthy of exile
"
The evidence that I’m to blame is irrefutable: “You can prove this is Remoaners’ fault,” said one Twitter user, channelling the entire logic of planet Vulcan. “This is by far the lowest growth rate in the developed world and no other country has Remoaners”.

Whoever said Britain was fed up with experts?
Cue the "Disapprove" tick from the usual source

 

[Woosh]

OG, no surprise there.
We have to rely on the right wing press to explain the advantages of soft brexit.

 

[Zlatan]

I am not going to make any further on this basically irrelevant sidebar topic other than to ask an obvious question. Why has that policeman not been prosecuted under the official secrets act or your equivalent title. ? . Information obtained by officials in the course of their duty would be covered and retirement is not a defense.

Totally agree with this Daniel. I,m critical of both parties, if allegations are true both are a disgrace to their profession, but if MP is guilty he still hasn't broken any laws...does show a kind if impotency in our government ( on both counts?) I wonder what Putin would be doing had some ex kgb spillt beans on his activities.

On the Brexit front. Interesting comments from Woodford. ( he steered clear of both Banking collapse and dot.com disaster) He,s predicting world wide dropping of markets with high tech causing problems ( especially bitcoin ) Reckons we are heading blindly into similar situation to 08. His solution ( will upset OG) ...invest in companies currently damaged by Brexit hysteria.( eg Wimpey / Barrat) Their stocks currently undervalued and will show significant gain post Brexit. ( He invests £18 kkk on behalf of customers)
He is starting to agree with Hargreaves !!( Peter not HL who to be fair have slightly distanced themselves from previous owner, he had upset too many remainers)

Nice to see OG finally taking some blame for our current financial/ brexit situation. Its without doubt we would be in a stronger negotiating position without remainers weakening our hand. Well done OG. Think that's a first on your part..credit where credit due..

 

[oldtom]

Why has that policeman not been prosecuted under the official secrets act or your equivalent title. ?

Prosecutions under that act are very rare and were never intended to protect the political class from the embarrassment that ensues from information about their sexual peccadillos reaching the public domain. Of course, such legislation is the perfect vehicle under which to hide information embarrassing to the government or the royal family and it is widely believed the spirit of the legislation has been abused, frequently in conjunction with the issue of DSMA (formerly just 'D') notices.

There are laws covering libel and slander which might be more relevant in cases such as that concerning Green but as you can probably imagine, it is dream material for the lawyers and the media. The OSA is something of a coverall piece of legislation which, by its invocation, can cause more intrigue than the matter might otherwise merit.

As far as the Damian Green matter is concerned, the policeman's tale and Green's denial of all knowledge of how porn was downloaded to his computer opens up a whole new, and possibly far more dangerous, can of worms. That is, if we are to believe Green's story!

The relevant part of the Act would be this section:

Information resulting from unauthorised disclosures or entrusted in confidence.

Tom

 

[Zlatan]

Prosecutions under that act are very rare and were never intended to protect the political class from the embarrassment that ensues from information about their sexual peccadillos reaching the public domain. Of course, such legislation is the perfect vehicle under which to hide information embarrassing to the government or the royal family and it is widely believed the spirit of the legislation has been abused, frequently in conjunction with the issue of DSMA (formerly just 'D') notices.

There are laws covering libel and slander which might be more relevant in cases such as that concerning Green but as you can probably imagine, it is dream material for the lawyers and the media. The OSA is something of a coverall piece of legislation which, by its invocation, can cause more intrigue than the matter might otherwise merit.

As far as the Damian Green matter is concerned, the policeman's tale and Green's denial of all knowledge of how porn was downloaded to his computer opens up a whole new, and possibly far more dangerous, can of worms. That is, if we are to believe Green's story!

The relevant part of the Act would be this section:

Information resulting from unauthorised disclosures or entrusted in confidence.

Tom

Police argue if information is in best interests of public they have a duty to disclose...sort of putting rather more authority to police than they deserve....surely in this case it was in interests of public to not disclose, but that,s where the problem lies. Its a subjective decision.... There is something else going on here...think we are forgetting May's argument with Police and her hubby's position in G4...Its all a fecking mess...stupid thing is the MP involved( IMHO) is one of the few " decent" ( I use the word loosely) MPs.

Its taken the spotlight off shadow deputy PM though...who yet again is showing how unelectable labour actually are at moment.

 

[Woosh]

Police argue if information is in best interests of public they have a duty to disclose..

it's not the police, it's two ex-policemen.

 

[Zlatan]

it's not the police, it's two ex-policemen.

Yes, fair comment, they have long memories and associations tho. Are they still under any work related restrictions ? Could a retired doctor disclose what he knows with no repercussions ? Or a teacher ? A lawyer ?? I,m off to Mail...I know some stuff !!!???

 

[Woosh]

in principle, I am against disclosing priviledged information. Trust in our institutions is the basis that compels everyone to obey the law.

 

[Zlatan]

in principle, I am against disclosing priviledged information. Trust in our institutions is the basis that compels everyone to obey the law.

Trust or fear ?? It probably needs both.

 

[Woosh]

Trust or fear ?? It probably needs both.

trust, not fear.
I'd leave this country when I start fearing the police.

 

[Zlatan]

trust, not fear.
I'd leave this country when I start fearing the police.

You dont fear prosecution or fines ? If nobody feared prosecution courts would be overflowing...hang on a minute ?
I accept many will " obey" the law for intrinsic moral reasons but certainly not all.

Next time you are speeding down M1 and catch a glimpse of a white car coming up behind with lights on top I bet your heart rate goes up....perhaps not ??
But perhaps fear is wrong word, but you get my drift. I trust our police force , been ripped off by Spanish twice, but there has to be an element of fear (respect?) to make us think twice about breaking the rules, otherwise we would not need fines, community service or prison sentences.