Brexit, for once some facts.

[tillson]

The next big masturbation story to break in parliament will concern Teressa May. It is well known by her closest allies that she does in fact have a penis. Each night, before snuggling up to Group 4 Phill, she wanks into a pool of tears shed by children who have been bitten by austerity. Apparently she finds the thought of a child waking up on Christmas morning only to find the foot of their bed untouched by Santa, to be sexually arousing. I don't know if there is any truth in this or if it is something that I have just made up.

 

[Steb]

The next big masturbation story to break in parliament will concern Teressa May. It is well known by her closest allies that she does in fact have a penis. Each night, before snuggling up to Group 4 Phill, she wanks into a pool of tears shed by children who have been bitten by austerity. Apparently she finds the thought of a child waking up on Christmas morning only to find the foot of their bed untouched by Santa, to be sexually arousing. I don't know if there is any truth in this or if it is something that I have just made up.

well, for what its worth, I wish that was true (instead, im afraid, something much more morbid involving G4S and post brexit privatisation may be going on; if only our politicians stuck to wanking)

 

[Danidl]

Trade with the rest of GB much more important.
with the exception of agriculture there's nothing in that list that will impinge greatly up here,
Block Grant year on year will still continue plus new markets now to trade with.

Seriously though your ministers are being used again, if they hadn`t allowed themselves to become mouthpieces for the bureaucrats at Brussels and subsequently inflame unionists here the whole issue could have been hammered out in no time at all, don`t you remember Leo and Arlene agreeing to a `sensible` Border?

PS. curious we haven`t heard from your TD, he`s been unusually quiet, maybe he sees `business opportunities` for his mates on the border if this doesn`t go through.

Tommie I would have assumed, without question that your initial statement that rest of GB trade was the most important market for NI was correct until I picked up the following references from a site assemblyresearchmatters.org.. The situation is a little more nuanced than that.

In 2016 of what was designated exports, some 32% of NI exports went to RoI 2.4 billion worth , 23%, to USA, 5% to each of Germany, france, rest of eu. .. since these were derived from HMRC figures rest of eu would exclude GB. So in excess of 50% of the total exports valued at 7.7billion from NI go to EU .
I have not been able to find or indeed bothered what the actual ratio of trade between NI and the rest of the UK is, I would continue to assume that it is larger than 8 billion . However since the equivalent figure from the RoI is around 15billion , and from a population base 3 times larger, I doubt it is much different. The assumption of business as usual post Brexit seems fanciful..

Now there will be imports, added value reworking etc etc but the trend is obvious. The USA market presumably is linked with trade deals organised by the European union, so will these be foregone or impacted?

 

[flecc]

From this morning’s BBC News I see that Wankgate continues to haunt one of this countries most senior figures, Damian Green.

What must the rest of the world who are watching this be thinking?

The rest of the world won't give a damn, they are far more sensible than this country with it's silly uptight Victorian attitudes to sex. So what if Damian Green had or didn't have porn images on his computer, it's not illegal if he did.

The only person in the wrong here is that ex police officer who is simply being vindictive in publicising information that is no business of his or the general public. What he has done isn't illegal, but it is improper and unethical. The job of a police officer is to protect the public, not attack them when they have broken no laws.
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[SHAN]

What he has done isn't illegal, but it is improper and unethical. The job of a police officer is to protect the public, not attack them when they have broken no laws.

What is wrong, is that the entire world appears to be in political turmoil, possibly caused by a continuation of light weight politicians that have lost the thread of reality and become disconnected from the electorate. Now instead of getting on with the job of running "their" country for the benefit of those who voted for them, they choose to score cheap political point's by proxy against the opposition, and argue on social media like Vicky Pollard. "Our" leader, Montgomerina, Burns, couldn't run Butlins.

 

[tillson]

The rest of the world won't give a damn, they are far more sensible than this country with it's silly uptight Victorian attitudes to sex. So what if Damian Green had or didn't have porn images on his computer, it's not illegal if he did.

The only person in the wrong here is that ex police officer who is simply being vindictive in publicising information that is no business of his or the general public. What he has done isn't illegal, but it is improper and unethical. The job of a police officer is to protect the public, not attack them when they have broken no laws.
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I agree that what Green is alleged to have done is not illegal. It will however breach many aspects of the misuse of computers policy at Westminster, which is serious.

A standard for the public and employees of government organisations has been set, there is history and there is evidence of how people can be expected to be treated if they act in the same way as Damian Green has acted. Employees will be sacked and I know of one such person who this has recently happened to. He was sacked for accessing adult pornography on a local authority computer.

People such as Damian Green are leaders and they enjoy a pretty comfortable lifestyle and considerable power in exchange for leading. Leading involves maintaining impeccable personal standards and this is even more so when in public life. Damien Green has an important job to do and it seems clear that at times he has been distracted from that job whilst viewing pornography, and using a government IT infrastructure to do it.

There is nothing frigid or Victorian about this, the man has failed to maintain a standard of behaviour fitting for his role and he has misused government systems. I have no doubt he would willingly preside over the dismissal of lower order shitmuncher who had done something similar. The man is a disgrace and he should be treated the same as any other person who acts in a similar way.

The police officer was absolutely correct in bringing this information to wider public attention. He will be aware that lies will be told about him and his family in order to smear and discredit him. The more people like Green get away with it, the more confident they become and there behaviour deteriorates accordingly.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Same applies in many areas, although not as extreme. Genie is out of the bottle l fear though. Regarding the control of immigration, I do not think that will apply to the super rich from countries afar that buy property in London and don't live in it. Double standards in the book of rules you see.

I agree it not EU immigrants that are pushing up London house prices.
London is a very attractive city for wealthy foreigners to invest in,first it was the Arabs,then the Russians and now the Chinese.
Who can blame them,we are stable from major conflict,we have a government that is friendly to the wealthy,property prices over many years have risen and London is a nice city to live in.
The Rees-Mogg style of Brexit can only increase its attractions.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

I think the UK government are pinning their hopes on 'cake and eat it' to sort out the Irish border,in fact to sort all the borders including the sea ports.
Cake and eat it....The EU are going to give us a EU-UK free trade deal but also going to allow Liam Fox to go off and do free trade deals with China,India,USA,Australia and New Zealand plus others.
And why wouldnt the EU let us,we are after all Great Britain,dont these upstarts in Europe realise that we are Great Britain and we always get what we want!!!!!
KudosDave

 

[SHAN]

we are after all Great Britain,dont these upstarts in Europe realise that we are Great Britain and we always get what we want!!!!!
KudosDave

I fear, it is because of this very attitude that there is a queue forming to give us a kicking.

 

[Zlatan]

All the extreme left fanatics insist the right wing press give Jeremy Corbyn a bad name and damage his image , well that might to some extent be true but yet again he is doing the job for them. Saying " We,re coming to get you " to bankers is absolutely stupid,infantile and appeals to thee very folk he should be distancing himself from. Yes, the bankers have made errors, yes they are greedy and dont deserve the remuneration they seem to collect......but they are a necessary evil, have kept country afloat and come an election middle England will turn its back on this type of rhetoric. Said it before but at every turn it seems to become more the case. Corbyn and his followers are keeping Labour out of power. Does anybody actually believe Corbyn and his " opposition" government know what they are doing. It seems to me if you cant run an opposition government you could never run the country. Rightly or wrongly vast majority of Uk see labour in this light and its giving May more rope not to hang this government but fasten herself in no10 with.

Labour should sack Abott and put Milliband in charge over Corbyn. They might stand a chance of power then. Labour is a bigger fiasco than Tories at moment.
Would anybody seriously put Corbyn or Abott in charge of a company or let your kids attend a school run by either of them.
Would anybody employ either of them ? I certainly would not.

 

[anotherkiwi]

I fear, it is because of this very attitude that there is a queue forming to give us a kicking.

Or you are so tiny since you gave the keys to the empire back to rightful owners no on even cares?

 

[flecc]

I agree that what Green is alleged to have done is not illegal. It will however breach many aspects of the misuse of computers policy at Westminster, which is serious.

A standard for the public and employees of government organisations has been set, there is history and there is evidence of how people can be expected to be treated if the same way as Damian Green. Employees will be sacked and I know of one such person who this has recently happened to. He was sacked for accessing adult pornography on a local authority computer.

People such as Damian Green are leaders and they enjoy a pretty comfortable lifestyle and considerable power in exchange for leading. Leading involves maintaining impeccable personal standards and this is even more so when in public life. Damien Green has an important job to do and it seems clear that at times he has been distracted from that job whilst viewing pornography, and using a government IT infrastructure to do it.

There is nothing frigid or Victorian about this, the man has failed to maintain a standard of behaviour fitting for his role and he has misused government systems. I have no doubt he would willingly presided over the dismissal of lower order shitmuncher who had done something similar. The man is a disgrace and he should be treated the same as any other person who acts in a similar way.

The police officer was absolutely correct in bringing this information to wider public attention. He will be aware that lies will be told about him and his family in order to smear and discredit him. The more people like Green get away with it, the more confident they become and there behaviour deteriorates accordingly.

It is this whole attitude that I disagree with, grossly exaggerating every aspect of such events, not just in respect of Damian Green but in respect of how anyone is treated in similar circumstances.

It is very much to do with the stupidly uptight Victorian attitudes to sex that persist in this country.
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[SHAN]

Or you are so tiny since you gave the keys to the empire back to rightful owners no on even cares?

Should never have had the keys in the first place.

Incidentally, I notice my much loved "Kiwi" shirts are now made in China, the new empire.

 

[anotherkiwi]

Should never have had the keys in the first place.

Incidentally, I notice my much loved "Kiwi" shirts are now made in China, the new empire.

Adidas All Black official ones? Here they are made in Morocco, or my last one was.

 

[Danidl]

I think the UK government are pinning their hopes on 'cake and eat it' to sort out the Irish border,in fact to sort all the borders including the sea ports.
Cake and eat it....The EU are going to give us a EU-UK free trade deal but also going to allow Liam Fox to go off and do free trade deals with China,India,USA,Australia and New Zealand plus others.
And why wouldnt the EU let us,we are after all Great Britain,dont these upstarts in Europe realise that we are Great Britain and we always get what we want!!!!!
KudosDave

.. except the Eurovision song , the rugby quarter finals

 

[oldgroaner]

On an entirely different subject, I note everyone is online (shan, og), what possible reason do you have for being up at the crack of dawn on a December morning? At least I have the excuse of work.

Getting the most out of the time I have left!

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk

 

[Zlatan]

It is this whole attitude that I disagree with, grossly exaggerating every aspect of such events, not just in respect of Damian Green but in respect of how anyone is treated in similar circumstances.

It is very much to do with the stupidly uptight Victorian attitudes to sex that persist in this country.
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Cant agree with you on this flecc. Yes, media are over reacting but his behaviour is out of order ( if its true) What would you think of your doctor, grand kids teacher, etc etc using works computer.( and time) for storing porn. Yes, its not crime of century but its not cricket either.
Suspect its a smoke screen...

 

[flecc]

Cant agree with you on this flecc. Yes, media are over reacting but his behaviour is out of order ( if its true) What would you think of your doctor, grand kids teacher, etc etc using works computer.( and time) for storing porn. Yes, its not crime of century but its not cricket either.
Suspect its a smoke screen...

The fact is Zlatan that using computers at work for private purposes is so commonplace that it's the norm. This forum for example is only busy Monday to Friday in business hours and it's always been that way for it's eleven years of existence. Many with a regular online presence admit to not even owning their own computer. Employers know this but do little or nothing about it.

But in this country if anyone dares to look at a soft porn image there's immediate outrage as if the crime of the century has been committed. Some in this thread have even idiotically compared looking at a legal pornographic image to the actitivities of child abusers like Savile and co.

That's what I mean by saying it's Victorian attitudes, totally over the top reaction to perfectly normal activities, simply because sex is present.

What is so different about looking longingly at a £5000 ebike or a pretty young woman clad in just enough material to make a handkerchief? They are mostly just fantasies, both far too expensive for the majority, and neither justify outrage.
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[Woosh]

They are mostly just fantasies,

how about the millions who watch 'Strictly' each year?

 

[flecc]

how about the millions who watch 'Strictly' each year?

I class that as trash TV and despair that such a large proportion of our population is moronic enough to watch it.
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