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That possible £4800 a year on your motoring costs in a year is staggering, do you really spend that much with the new commuting distance?

and that's just a small selection of the 168 messages against e-bikes with only a handful of positive comments, really quite sad if that's a true representation of MTB riders. I imagine road cyclists could be even worse in their negative opinions.

Let the jokes roll in, I wood knot believe it if I hadn't seen it.

It was posted 17 hours ago, it's 2/3 of the way down that page on the left. Perhaps you need a Facebook account to see it. It was all the Facebook user messages I was referring to. https://www.facebook.com/wiggle I hadn't clicked the link on Facebook, that just takes you to the bike for sale...

I thought someone said it had become more favourable. This Haibike piece on the Wiggle facebook page begs to differ.It's on this page, I can't seem to simply link to the exact review. https://www.facebook.com/wiggle

That sounds really bad to me, perhaps it's not as bad as it sounds? I presume there will be quite a loss of momentum each time you pass between gears. But I guess all of this is unknown at this stage.

I would have thought not even d8eh's bikes can get up the 3 segments I've posted at 15.5 mph average speed with no rider input.

1 in 10 doesn't seem steep to me either. Perhaps Strava is cheating me then. Here's an 11% average grade, although it is 1 in 3 in parts http://app.strava.com/segments/2441513?filter=overall I know for certain no one on here would say that's not steep. I'm struggling to find a nice even 10%...

Well that's good then. But the OP wants to do it without pedalling. I think he wants the impossible, his requirement is a big ask.

I suppose it's quite possible you don't know just how steep a 10% grade hill is ? Here's a 9% one http://app.strava.com/segments/810015?filter=overall

I thought 250 Watts was legal and not 1200 Watts ? Trex I have nothing against people being lazy on an ebike, but flying up a hill at such speed without pedalling is going to make you stick out like a sore thumb.

It was just giving you the push you needed to stop being lazy and use the bike :p :)

To me that seems like a strange requirement, an illegal bike that absolutely flies up hills faster than any bicycle on the road, and then becomes one of the slowest bicycles on the flat.

Have you a link? as a trade member aren't you allowed to put a link at the bottom of all your posts?

50.5 mph, I often see around 40 mph.

Strava has a very good free route planner. The Garmin will show you the elevation gain of each ride.

I suppose the power difference could be because mine is less powerful being a hub geared bike. I'm with you on deciding how much pain, I'm trying to work a bit harder on the bike, but it's not easy with that switch just a thumb click away.

L3 and L4 give exactly the same amount of assistance in a lot of situations, it's only when you match the right cadence and pressure that the Bosch requires to gives its most on a steep hill that L4 gives a slight advantage. Well that's what I've found. and yes a headwind uses masses more...

A mid motor doesn't doesn't need two gears does it ?

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