Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

in fairness to Bojo, he did manage to get the EU to move on the issue of 'consent' regarding the backstop.
Previously under TM's deal, it was not clear how the UK would exit the backstop if she can't conclude the future relationship with the EU.
Now it's clear: the UK will have a 'clean break' in December 2020, NI can join Great Britain later in December 2024 or December 2028.
The rest of the deal is written by EU's lawyers. Their bill is £33 billions.
Basically, Bojo pays more than TM to cut short the time the UK is involved with the EU. Good idea or bad idea, you decide.

 

[oldgroaner]

This one is for OJ who wrote this
"Hey OG! What fun huh? Well. Sort of. Everybody told Boris the EU would not re-open negotiations - like they REALLY told him. Guess what? The EU re-opened negotiations! Wow. And he got a new deal. OK - "

And this is what Guy Verhostadt said
"
EU Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt: "Time pressure was to our benefit, the new is deal is what we proposed 3 years ago"
Speaking in the VRT's morning radio show "De ochtend", Guy Verhofstadt looked back on the new Brexit deal, saying "the new accord which is now on the table is actually our original proposal from almost 3 years ago". He also said Boris Johnson was prepared to make concessions because of the time pressure, which was different from Theresa May's timeframe.

So much for Boris's achievement, as I stated he surrendered to the EU
You have to laugh at how this has been presented as a Victory!

More here
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2019/10/18/brexit-negotiator-guy-verhofstadt-this-was-our-initial-proposa/

And the show stopper is "THis is what we proposed three years ago"

 

[Wicky]

 

[oldgroaner]

Great adverts - Cummings knew his stuff huh?

He knew how to lie and deceive

 

[OxygenJames]

in fairness to Bojo, he did manage to get the EU to move on the issue of 'consent' regarding the backstop.
Previously under TM's deal, it was not clear how the UK would exit the backstop if she can't conclude the future relationship with the EU.
Now it's clear: the UK will have a 'clean break' in December 2020, NI can join Great Britain later in December 2024 or December 2028.

Precisely - but don't tell OG it ruins the narrative he has running in his head.

 

[Wicky]

And you wonder why you lost.

What say you when 'winners' seem to view it as a loss...

Farage: 'It is the second worst deal in history'
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage adds that Boris Johnson's deal is "the second worst" in history after Theresa May's and "not worth voting for".

Farage: PM's deal is an 'attempt to put lipstick on the pig'
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage says Boris Johnson's deal is a "re-heating of Theresa May's deal" and "will not get Brexit done".

Remind me what's the prize for winning?

 

[OxygenJames]

What say you when 'winners' seem to view it as a loss...

Farage: 'It is the second worst deal in history'
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage adds that Boris Johnson's deal is "the second worst" in history after Theresa May's and "not worth voting for".

Farage: PM's deal is an 'attempt to put lipstick on the pig'
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage says Boris Johnson's deal is a "re-heating of Theresa May's deal" and "will not get Brexit done".

Remind me what's the prize for winning?

Farage has got it wrong. He's not seeing the bigger picture. The tide has turned against his version of Brexit. Boris has the wind with him - he might just get this thing over the line.

 

[OxygenJames]

He knew how to lie and deceive

Oh like the Remain campaign played it all so by the rules. Right.

 

[OxygenJames]

Oh like the Remain campaign played it all so by the rules. Right.

£30B emergency budget anybody?

 

[Woosh]

he might just get this thing over the line.

unlikely. He's set to lose tomorrow.
The rebel alliance will try to push Oliver Letwin's motion which has a good chance to pass.
The Letwin motion, albeit gobbledygook to most people, will force Bojo to think twice before he goes through with his MV. Bojo will be forced to ask for an extension by tomorrow night.
If he loses his MV, he'll run out of ropes like TM did. If he wins his MV, the rebels will simply introduce more roadblocks at the WAB stage in a couple of weeks and run down the clock until Halloween.

 

[Wicky]

Boris has the wind with him - he might just get this thing over the line.

Just for you: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/steve-anglesey-on-theresa-mays-brexit-festival-1-5718255

Lemming Leap: Climb 300 feet up a full-scale model of the White Cliffs of Dover (height verified by Russian tourists) and jump off, pausing to congratulate yourself for taking back control of your money, your borders and your laws while plunging to certain death.

 

[oyster]

£30B emergency budget anybody?

If you are offering, that would do nicely. Would you like my sort code and account number?

 

[Woosh]

£30B emergency budget anybody?

they spend now, you pay later.

 

[Wicky]

Meanwhile in the real world: Becoming a mother has been 'struggle', Meghan says

The Duchess of Sussex has admitted it was a "struggle" becoming a new mother amid intense media scrutiny.

It's a tough life but someone's gotta do it ... and the constant holidays...

Meghan Markle Vacation Style

May 21, 2020 - Meghan Markle's fashions abroad and on travels across the globe. . See more ideas about meghan markle, markle, meghan markle style.

www.pinterest.co.uk

 

[50Hertz]

Hey OG! What fun huh? Well. Sort of. Everybody told Boris the EU would not re-open negotiations - like they REALLY told him. Guess what? The EU re-opened negotiations! Wow. And he got a new deal. OK - so like I said weeks back its a fudge - but then most negotiated things are. Its not quite a full Brexit but its pretty close. So here we are. And tomorrow our elected MPs get to vote! The Chinese curse I am reminded of..... to live in interesting times. Well. Let's face it. These ARE interesting times.

The EU have not reopened negotiations, you have been conned into believing they have.
What Johnson has “negotiated” is exactly what the EU initially offered May, but she rejected it and Johnson said no Conservative government could ever and must never allow that deal to happen. Guess what Johnson is trying to get passed tomorrow? He’s like the Pied Piper trying to find some rats.

Do you live in Barnsley?

 

[50Hertz]

Wait and see.

You don’t have a clue, do you? Typical Brexidiot.

 

[50Hertz]

Like I say - and you wonder why you lost! YOU are the stupid one!!!!! Doh. You don't see that do you? No. Well. That's because you're stupid.

WAY more stupid than those people in Barnsley btw.

Still don't get it?

Wait and see.

“still don’t get it. Wait and see.” That’s no answer, that’s Brexidiot’s crap.

What benefit and advantages have you won? It’s a simple enough questIon. Answer it.

 

[Danidl]

Hey OG! What fun huh? Well. Sort of. Everybody told Boris the EU would not re-open negotiations - like they REALLY told him. Guess what? The EU re-opened negotiations! Wow. And he got a new deal. OK - so like I said weeks back its a fudge - but then most negotiated things are. Its not quite a full Brexit but its pretty close. So here we are. And tomorrow our elected MPs get to vote! The Chinese curse I am reminded of..... to live in interesting times. Well. Let's face it. These ARE interesting times.

OJ if you go back to what I have been posting,and the current agreement, you will see very little daylight. Ireland's demand of no physical infrastructure has been met, The requirement to have alignment on on physio sanitary affairs has been met. The idea of leaving the decision about leaving this alignment to the NI Assembly was certainly unexpected,but is even a much more favourable outcome,and is much more satisfactory than even the earlier backstop would have been. I kept saying we were outcomes driven and the backstop was a means to an end.
That deal was actually available 2 .5 years ago!. So rather than being an new deal it is actually the EUs initial position. Now we would Not agree that Brexit is a good Idea, but this is the best of a bad lot.

 

[oldgroaner]

Precisely - but don't tell OG it ruins the narrative he has running in his head.

Actually I prefer the real truth not your fake version of it.

 

[oldgroaner]

OJ if you go back to what I have been posting,and the current agreement, you will see very little daylight. Ireland's demand of no physical infrastructure has been met, The requirement to have alignment on on physio sanitary affairs has been met. The idea of leaving the decision about leaving this alignment to the NI Assembly was certainly unexpected,but is even a much more favourable outcome,and is much more satisfactory than even the earlier backstop would have been. I kept saying we were outcomes driven and the backstop was a means to an end.
That deal was actually available 2 .5 years ago!. So rather than being an new deal it is actually the EUs initial position. Now we would Not agree that Brexit is a good Idea, but this is the best of a bad lot.

There is no best of a bad lot, but you have certainly not lost as much as the UK has, and the Johnson gang are still aiming at a no deal down the line.