The Brexit advantages are the same as always. Out from control of the ECJ - out from the customs union and single market meaning we can do our own deals - and control of our borders. This has never changed. It's called taking back control.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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If the cap fits...... Saying you want something which is known to hurt, but not knowing what you stand to gain in exchange for the hurt makes the cap a perfectly tailored fit.
It's all about power now. Who has it - who doesn't. Nobody really cares what you or I think. Not now. Its out of our hands.
My original point was that calling people stupid will not win you votes. That is what the remain campaign did - and I think it went some way to ensuring they lost.
ok that’s a start.
What controls have the ECJ imposed which disadvantage us?
Which deals that we can’t do now do you want us to do once out if the single market and customs union?
With the exception of EU citizens, we can control our borders at will for the entire world. We don’t , we can’t and thus we never will. We don’t have the investment, the will or the ability. How will leaving the EU change this?
What do you want to take back control of?
I agree with that. But I don’t want to put more power and influence into the hands of the retards in Westminster.
Let us examine that. Maybe tomorrow (not literally, but sometime soon), UK makes a trade deal with the Klingon Empire (to avoid specifics of any real-world example). What will the relation between NI and Klingon Empire be?
Will NI be able to avail itself of the KE deal for exports? For imports? Or neither?
Will NI be able to make its own deals with the KE?
If NI cannot either make their own deals, nor avail themselves of UK deals with KE, as I suspect, what sort of bizarre country do we live in? Where the avowed intent of the UK locks a constituent of the UK into situation in which they cannot benefit? No matter that at some point in some possible future they can change their CU membership.
Does that mean all UK trade deals will have to expressly exclude NI? Does that mean that the KE could object to their UK deal being expanded to include NI?
Try asking that on the streets of Barnsley. If the question isn’t about ferrets or pigeon fancying they’re stumped.
I'd prefer the retards in Westminster over the retards in Brussels anytime. We can vote the former out.
I have zero intention of travelling to Barnsley in any future - short or long!
(Though I have actually been there many times.)
What a load of old rubbish!
First of all being in both the customs union and single market were promised to be unchanged by the leave campaign
Second we have always had control of our borders, but can't be bothered
Third the ECJ is not our enemy, far from it.
Our enemies are America, The Adam Smith Institute and it's agents. the ERG, the leave campaigners and Putin.
Oh and as always Conservative rule.
What has that got to do with today's delay of vote? You are calling for ref2 (as I did 6 months ago). Had BJ lost today ref2 would have been a possible outcome. This amendment neither helps or hinders your wishes, merely delays them.
And just because you support ref2 does not mean its intrinsically correct to hold one. We, ve elected MPs as a whole to make these decisions, as it is the wishes of one or two simply mean rest have to wait and hence so do we.
Letswin's amnendment is simply spanners in machinery.
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Then you are no better than them are you?
If you vote them out what will you get instead?
That idea of yours is laughable.
Really? During the negotiations Brussels have so far urinated all over the U.K. I think I’d rather trust our future trade negotiations to Brussels. The UKs track record doesn’t look good.
This is not good
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Loyalists said to be planning ‘civil unrest’ against Brexit deal
According to The Daily Telegraph’s James Rothwell, some loyalists in Northern Ireland are planning “civil unrest” protests if Boris Johnson’s deal passes in the Commons.
Arlene Foster’s Democratic Unionist Party, remember, remains firmly opposed to the deal. The DUP’s Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson said the party were “solid as the rock of Gibraltar” against it.
That's the last thing we need!
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Loyalists said to be planning ‘civil unrest’ against Brexit deal
According to The Daily Telegraph’s James Rothwell, some loyalists in Northern Ireland are planning “civil unrest” protests if Boris Johnson’s deal passes in the Commons.
Arlene Foster’s Democratic Unionist Party, remember, remains firmly opposed to the deal. The DUP’s Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson said the party were “solid as the rock of Gibraltar” against it.
That's the last thing we need!
Don't forget that won't make America Great Again will it? so the Tory MAGA lobby won't want that to happen