Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Oh like the Remain campaign played it all so by the rules. Right.

Well they didn't employ Cambridge Analytica did they?
Below is will of the people - flipping at exact moment Cummings/Johnson unleashed their illegal ad storm

And this too
"'If Boris,Gove and Gisela had not supported us and picked up the baseball bat marked Turkey/NHS/£350 Million with 5 weeks to go, then 650,000 votes might have been lost'. Dominic Cummings.

Illegal acts and lies corrupted the result

 

[50Hertz]

Oh like the Remain campaign played it all so by the rules. Right.

Remain ran an appalling campaign stating many things which have not happened or were never likely to happen.

But now, three years later, we can see what Brexit is doing to the value of U.K. PLC by the value of the Pound. We know we aren’t going to save £39 billion. We know that instead of saving billions, we are spending billions to offset SOME Brexit damage. We know trade is going to be difficult. We know the car industry is going to shrink.

There’s a start, that’s playing it straight with facts, but in the interests of “playing it by the rules” as you put it, now you list some advantages.

 

[oldgroaner]

Farage has got it wrong. He's not seeing the bigger picture. The tide has turned against his version of Brexit. Boris has the wind with him - he might just get this thing over the line.

Seeing the bigger picture? you mean selling the country to be a vassal state to America?
That's what you want, isn't it?
That is the so called benefit of Brexit, to change an alliance within the EU to subservience to Corporate American power.
I call it treason.

 

[OxygenJames]

This is pretty clear:

Brexit deal: What does it mean?

Boris Johnson has agreed a new Brexit deal with the EU - but what does it mean and will Parliament pass it?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[oyster]

Once signed, if indeed it gets to that point, what could be done to change the WA?

Let us suggest some unintended consequence, which possibly both EU and UK readily agree is bad, how can that be addressed with the withdrawal period? There is no A50 to be revoked.

 

[OxygenJames]

unlikely. He's set to lose tomorrow.

Not from what I hear. The Telegraph this morning:

• 320 MPs backing deal after Labour defections, 312 against

 

[50Hertz]

Not from what I hear. The Telegraph this morning:

• 320 MPs backing deal after Labour defections, 312 against

never mind that. Yesterday you were calling for playing it straight with some facts. So, list your Brexit advantages and stop trying to side step the issue now that you are cornered.

 

[oldgroaner]

What a situation! we have an American Tax dodger (from the Guardian)
"
Boris Johnson has renounced his US citizenship, ending years of ambiguous loyalties and probably ridding himself of a hefty tax bill.

A list released by the US Treasury department showed the UK foreign secretary was one of 5,411 individuals to renounce his American citizenship in 2016.

Johnson was born in New York when his parents worked there, but has not lived there since he was five years old. His decision does not appear to be an attempt to distance himself from the politics of Donald Trump, but may instead be a move to ensure he is out of reach of America’s Internal Revenue Service (IRS)."

Running this country for the benefit of his birthplace he renounced to dodge Taxes!
And all this to support tax dodgers here!

 

[oldgroaner]

This is pretty clear:

Brexit deal: What does it mean?

Boris Johnson has agreed a new Brexit deal with the EU - but what does it mean and will Parliament pass it?

www.bbc.co.uk

Really?

 

[50Hertz]

This is pretty clear:

Brexit deal: What does it mean?

Boris Johnson has agreed a new Brexit deal with the EU - but what does it mean and will Parliament pass it?

www.bbc.co.uk

That lists no advantages. At best it give a few vague aspirations.

You brought up the subject of facts and playing it straight. I have complied by listening to what you asked for and listing disadvantages to Brexit. Not possible outcomes, but things which are happening now.

You are confirming yourself as a stereotypical Brexidiot by saying that you want Brexit, but have no idea why or what it will do for you.

 

[Woosh]

Not from what I hear. The Telegraph this morning:

• 320 MPs backing deal after Labour defections, 312 against

the Letwin amendment has been accepted this morning, with a good chance that it will pass. That will compel Bojo to get both the MV (the one vote you referred to) and the WAB vote in a week to 10 days time to complete their passage, otherwise, we'll get an extension.
If there is an extension, then a second referendum is a strong possibility.
Bojo deal has its merits as I said before, it forced the EU to address the issue of consent for future extensions of the current status but it is far from a good deal. TM's deal was better for NI, did not risk detaching NI from Great Britain, plus there is an incentive for the EU to negotiate a good trade deal with the UK because any delay after 1/1/2021 would be in the UK's advantage: we keep our access to the CU and SM without having to pay into the EU's coffers.
Bojo's deal is good for the EU. They get paid £33 billions and can charge us full WTO tariffs after 1/1/2021. No wonder Macron is very happy slapping Bojo's back.

 

[Zlatan]

the Letwin amendment has been accepted this morning, with a good chance that it will pass. That will compel Bojo to get both the MV (the one vote you referred to) and the WAB vote in a week to 10 days time to complete their passage, otherwise, we'll get an extension.
If there is an extension, then a second referendum is a strong possibility.
Bojo deal has its merits as I said before, it forced the EU to address the issue of consent for future extensions of the current status but it is far from a good deal. TM's deal was better for NI, did not risk detaching NI from Great Britain, plus there is an incentive for the EU to negotiate a good trade deal with the UK because any delay after 1/1/2021 would be in the UK's advantage: we keep our access to the CU and SM without having to pay into the EU's coffers.
Bojo's deal is good for the EU. They get paid £33 billions and can charge us full WTO tariffs after 1/1/2021. No wonder Macron is very happy slapping Bojo's back.

Ironic that Letwin voted in favour of May's deal on all three occasions. He, s just decided to throw a spanner in works, he was one of Tory rebels who had whip removed.
He, s also the idiot that dressed up in a Toga for a debate, invited burglars into his house and as recently as 2015 made at best desparaging remarks about people of colours cognitive ability.
Why are all folk running country ry at moment such idiots.
The Letwin amendment is simply delaying things, again. BJ should have his vote today. At least we, d get a decision. Well sort of.

 

[50Hertz]

Ironic that Letwin voted in favour of May's deal on all three occasions. He, s just decided to throw a spanner in works, he was one of Tory rebels who had whip removed.
He, s also the idiot that dressed up in a Toga for a debate, invited burglars into his house and as recently as 2015 made at best desparaging remarks about people of colours cognitive ability.
Why are all folk running country ry at moment such idiots.
The Letwin amendment is simply delaying things, again. BJ should have his vote today. At least we, d get a decision. Well sort of.

A decision born out of fatigue, boredom & frustration is lazy and entirely the wrong basis.

 

[Woosh]

BJ should have his vote today. At least we, d get a decision. Well sort of.

The Letwin motion does not stop a MV tonight but BJ just said in the HoC that [there will be a vote on his deal but] it may not be his MV in tonight's vote.
All the Letwin motion does is to stop Bojo and Cummings to take us out without a deal.
He is obviously worried that the arithmetic is not in his favour tonight. I think he will squeak through but he will still have to write that letter tomorrow.

 

[Zlatan]

A decision born out of fatigue, boredom & frustration is lazy and entirely the wrong basis.

So you want more indecision?
Would have, or will be far better, to just let the idiots vote for or against BJ's deal. What's point in prolonging that?
We, d know where we stood. Letwin's amendment doesnt change a thing or move us forward one way or another.
Any decision we now make will be corrupted but we must make one.
Your statement is true but cuts both ways. Perhaps you need more time to have a go at folk from Barnsley.
1200 plus days of indecision.Letwin and Bercow just tried to buy some more.

 

[50Hertz]

So you want more indecision?
Would have, or will be far better, to just let the idiots vote for or against BJ's deal. What's point in prolonging that?
We, d know where we stood. Letwin's amendment doesnt change a thing or move us forward one way or another.
Any decision we now make will be corrupted but we must make one.
Your statement is true but cuts both ways. Perhaps you need more time to have a go at folk from Barnsley.
1200 plus days of indecision.Letwin and Bercow just tried to buy some more.

Johnson’s deal isn’t good enough. It’s categorically not what was on the referendum ballot paper. It’s like a Conservative government winning a general election, but a Labour government taking office on the basis that people voted for governance.

He either comes up with the goods that he promised, or we let people decide if Johnson’s amendment is what they want. That can only be done via a second referendum.

To just wave it through due to boredom is a lazy, idle and completely wrong.

 

[Zlatan]

Johnson’s deal isn’t good enough. It’s categorically not what was on the referendum ballot paper.

He either comes up with the goods that he promised, or we let people decide if Johnson’s amendment is what they want. That can only be done via a second referendum.

To just wave it through due to boredom is a lazy, idle and completely wrong.

They werent going to wave it through, they were having a vote. Letwin and co will simply delay that.
Personally think deal wont pass Parliament today or sometime down line.
Had it failed today its fairly certain EU would only grant a delay for ref2 or perhaps a GE. This could actually work for BJ. Cant see how anyone can think delaying vote can benefit anything.
Think remainers get rather frightened when a decision has to be made and would rather delay than actually lose.
We might not win so lets feck it up thats even worse than decisions born of fatigue and boredom,and it simply fosters more of both.
Let them fecking decide. Get it done or cancelled.
BJ's deal or remain. Thought we were there. Letwin and Bercow decide otherwise.

 

[OxygenJames]

Actually I prefer the real truth not your fake version of it.

The truth is that the back stop has gone, there will be a complete leaving of the Customs Union for the non-NI-UK and there is a time-specified way for NI to leave too - of their own volition without any say from the EU. Those are the facts.

 

[OxygenJames]

The EU have not reopened negotiations, you have been conned into believing they have.
What Johnson has “negotiated” is exactly what the EU initially offered May, but she rejected it and Johnson said no Conservative government could ever and must never allow that deal to happen. Guess what Johnson is trying to get passed tomorrow? He’s like the Pied Piper trying to find some rats.

Do you live in Barnsley?

It's not nice being called stupid is it?

 

[50Hertz]

They werent going to wave it through, they were having a vote. Letwin and co will simply delay that.
Personally think deal wont pass Parliament today or sometime down line.
Had it failed today its fairly certain EU would only grant a delay for ref2 or perhaps a GE. This could actually work for BJ. Cant see how anyone can think delaying vote can benefit anything.
Think remainers get rather frightened when a decision has to be made and would rather delay than actually lose.
We might not win so lets feck it up thats even worse than decisions born of fatigue and boredom,and it simply fosters more of both.
Let them fecking decide. Get it done or cancelled.
BJ's deal or remain. Thought we were there. Letwin and Bercow decide otherwise.

Look, after three years Johnson’s deal is likely the best that our MPs can ever achieve. It’s absolutely not what was on the referendum ballot paper. So let’s check it’s still what people want, Johnson’s deal or remaining. Simple, fair, democratic.