Brexit, for once some facts.

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Boris Johnson's mini speech at the handover was a blatant bit of self promotion, already campaigning for his return to power later.
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I can't see BJ going back to No10 in my lifetime.
There is precious little time left between now and the next general election when Starmer is more likely to form a government.
The only way that Liz Truss' economic policy would work is like Patrick Minford said, let the market decides, low taxes to attract investors and the BoE will push interest rate to 7%. The last time interest rate was that high was 1992. Back then, mortgage rate was above 8%. Just think about how it would affect property price, together with low taxes, the two cornerstones of conservative values. Truss gives priority to low taxes and neglects property values. That would affect middle income earners who are more easily persuaded to vote for soft Labour like Blair in 1997.
 
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I can't see BJ going back to No10 in my lifetime.
There is precious little time left between now and the next general election when Starmer is more likely to form a government.
The only way that Liz Truss' economic policy would work is like Patrick Minford said, let the market decides, low taxes to attract investors and the BoE will push interest rate to 7%. The last time interest rate was that high was 1992. Back then, mortgage rate was above 8%. Just think about how it would affect property price, together with low taxes, the two cornerstones of conservative values. Truss gives priority to low taxes and neglects property values. That would affect middle income earners who are more easily persuaded to vote for soft Labour like Blair in 1997.
Oddly as a labour voter with some property that (high interest rates, property market crash) represents an ideal outcome, the reset the economy, country need as far as i see it - where the young and economically active can make their way and the stranglehold of the baby boomers via artificially inflated asset prices (to escape a market correcting crash in 08 that should have happened) has been removed
Edit - and, and I realise this may sound oddly conservative with a small c, the kick in the arse, Darwin awards the conservative party and red wall membership have been begging for, richly deserve
 
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I can't see BJ going back to No10 in my lifetime.
That won't stop him trying though, and if Truss's policies mess up with her appeal gone, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Tories panic him back into leadership.

There is precious little time left between now and the next general election when Starmer is more likely to form a government.
We certainly need a change, but without the Scottish vote a hung parliament is still in prospect. It needs a huge swing of the English conservative vote to give Labour the clear overall control they'd need to rule effectively.
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Brexit gifts:

‘Cucumber capital’ growers selling up as Brexit and energy crisis hits Britain’s vegetable industry
A flawed government plan for workers adds to problems as growers apply to pull down 60 hectares of greenhouses

Quite astonishing that now we have more difficulty importing, we end up growing less!
 

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No problem, cabinet ministers don't have to be from the ruling party. They can be from any elected party or be independent, or from the House of Lords if they insist on them being Conservatives, though anyone from there is valid too.
Now he's an independent, Jeremy Corbyn could be the Tory's transport minister, completing the rail nationalisation that Grant Shapps started with Northern Rail.

Diane Abbott could take Education, and Stella Creasy could be Culture minister.
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I like what she said about BJ's achievements just now at the door of No10: delivered brexit, covid vaccine and support for Ukraine. Compare that to what BJ said himself yesterday at the same place. Not a huge endorsement from Truss for his 3 years of tenure and at considerable cost to us all.
She may turn out to be a better PM than Cameron, TM and BJ.
 

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I like what she said about BJ's achievements just now at the door of No10: delivered brexit, covid vaccine and support for Ukraine. Compare that to what BJ said himself yesterday at the same place. Not a huge endorsement from Truss for his 3 years of tenure and at considerable cost to us all.
She may turn out to be a better PM than Cameron, TM and BJ.
I think the bar has been set for professional limbo dancers rather than jumpers. At that height, very easy to trip over it.
 

flecc

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I see the BBC News has exactly the same reading of Boris Johnsons departing speech as me.

That it was his opening speech for a return to power.
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I think the bar has been set for professional limbo dancers rather than jumpers. At that height, very easy to trip over it.
I can't find any baritone sheep on Youtube.
 
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A lot of enemies have their enmity reinforced:
Shailesh Vara out as Northern Ireland secretary

Andrew Stephenson out as party chair


Greg Clark leaves government

Johnny Mercer leaves government

Steve Barclay leaves government

Grant Shapps leaves government

Dominic Raab leaves government
 
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flecc

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A lot of enemies have their enmity reinforced:
Shailesh Vara out as Northern Ireland secretary

Andrew Stephenson out as party chair


Greg Clark leaves government

Johnny Mercer leaves government

Steve Barclay leaves government

Grant Shapps leaves government

Dominic Raab leaves government
Of course, they are all men.

Truss is aiming to have the most blatantly sexist government in many decades.
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