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therese coffey is the new health sec and dep pm we are all fooked there only plan is to print more money and carry on as is might as well have a fkn garden gnome as pm.
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no, why give money to customers? That would be seen as a handout.
all that money goes straight to the energy generating and gaz companies so to cut price at source.
uncoupling the unit price of electricity from gas would have been a good start. The windmill owners are making obscene profit. This is tainting renewable energy and driving the perception that the green agenda is a scam.
 

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uncoupling the unit price of electricity from gas would have been a good start. The windmill owners are making obscene profit. This is tainting renewable energy and driving the perception that the green agenda is a scam.
It most likely is not the wind turbine owners ... Its all these energy brokers in-between the producers and the consumers
 
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uncoupling the unit price of electricity from gas would have been a good start. The windmill owners are making obscene profit. This is tainting renewable energy and driving the perception that the green agenda is a scam.
I agree that's a scam but I look at the issue differently.
Traditionally, oil fired powerstation is the most expensive to run, so only used when other powerstations (gas, nuclear, renewables) have been used.

Let's say the wholesale price of gas has gone up 600% in a year.
In that time, the price of oil has gone up by 30%.
Why can't we pay for them to convert to burning oil instead of gas? It can't be that expensive nor take long to do.
 

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I agree that's a scam but I look at the issue differently.
Traditionally, oil fired powerstation is the most expensive to run, so only used when other powerstations (gas, nuclear, renewables) have been used.

Let's say the wholesale price of gas has gone up 600% in a year.
In that time, the price of oil has gone up by 30%.
Why can't we pay for them to convert to burning oil instead of gas? It can't be that expensive nor take long to do.
Woosh... That is unlike you. The gas powered stations use gas turbine engines and are not capable of burning any fuel oil. I believe that any of the oils will contain suphurs, whereas the methane gas , which is what LNG is, doesn't. So the gas turbine engines would be destroyed in short order.
I expect that the UK is going to suffer more than the EU this winter, because the energy market is is more private enterprise driven.
 

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I believe that any of the oils will contain suphurs, whereas the methane gas , which is what LNG is, doesn't.
Cleaning sulfur from natural gas was a major technology. It wasn't that all natural gas was sulfur-free as piped from the ground.

And reduction in sulfur content was a major change to diesel over the years. Even ships have to use lower-sulfur fuels when near the cost.

I suspect it might be a challenge but not insuperable.
 
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Woosh... That is unlike you. The gas powered stations use gas turbine engines and are not capable of burning any fuel oil. I believe that any of the oils will contain suphurs, whereas the methane gas , which is what LNG is, doesn't. So the gas tuyrbine engines would be destroyed in short order.
I expect that the UK is going to suffer more than the EU this winter, because the energy market is is more private enterprise driven.
We have 10 oil fired and 32 gas fired powerstations at the moment.
years ago, some of them were converted from coal fired powerstations to oil fired then to gas fired or dual fuel.
The process took about 2 months.
If they could do that in 2 months, then they can convert them to dual fuels in a short time.
 
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Unfortunately, Patel's replacement is the batshit crazy Braverman, so not all good news.
On balance I prefer, in the broadest sense of the word, (like the bond markets) boris & Patel to Truss & braverman
 

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The one hundred and fifty thousand million pounds that Truss is going to borrow will go straight into the pockets of the energy “manufacturers” and the UK’s network of energy middle men and skimmers. Even if the £150 billion was funded by a windfall tax, profit would still be double the amount these companies were expecting.

Truss has done nothing except take out a massive unaffordable loan on my behalf and given the cash to people who are already making obscene amounts of money.

The NHS A&E system isn’t breaking, it’s actually now broken. It’s no longer there for us. Last week, two elderly people were found dead on the floor of an A&E department waiting area. They had come in alone and were too poorly to sit on the chairs. So, like many others they lay on the waiting room floor for hours. And that’s where they died. A relative who witnessed this has asked me not to name the hospital because they are being threatened by management. Borrowing money to cut taxes can only make the situation worse, if that’s possible.

We need tax rises not tax cuts or more borrowing. The most wealthy will still be the most wealthy if they pay more tax.

It‘s astonishing how easily the Tories talk about all this with a sense of it being something they have inherited from a previously incompetent administration and will now fix! The same idiots have caused the problems over the last 12 years in power.

We are totally ******
 

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Review of MG4 by PH. They are usually scathing of anything without pistons. (stands to reason I suppose, "PH"... Piston Heads.)

Worth reading "comments", which are rather more applicable to this threads topic than the car itself.??? (It's a massive comments section in such a short time, especially for PH and the Politics of situation has driven majority, people are becoming more aware and critical of regime in China)??
A bit off topic (given that we're all totally ******), but also not (since we will be paying for the govt post election posts as advisors in big energy for the next 20 years). MG4 has v2l (3.6kw like ev6 I believe, so not inconsequential). And can be effectively recharged using evse on an off grid solar system. In a sense its also a 60kwh power wall.
 
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The one hundred and fifty thousand million pounds that Truss is going to borrow will go straight into the pockets of the energy “manufacturers” and the UK’s network of energy middle men and skimmers.
they got us already, our only choice is to pay now or later and there is little difference between Labour's and Conservatives position at the moment.
I saw Ed Miliband on TV this morning. He waffles a lot as usual but has nothing new to say.
The only way to cut the bills is for people to generate electricity themselves without waiting for planning approval. That'll give the energy companies some competition.
BTW, I was buying a heat pump yesterday but my order is suspended until I can tell the suppliers who is going to install it. I did not know that you need F-gas certified maintenance engineers to install and maintain it. It's only a stand alone air source hot water system.
 
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they got us already, our only choice is to pay now or later and there is little difference between Labour's and Conservatives position at the moment.
I saw Ed Miliband on TV this morning. He waffles a lot as usual but has nothing new to say.
The only way to cut the bills is for people to generate electricity themselves without waiting for planning approval. That'll give the energy companies some competition.
BTW, I was going to buy a heat pump yesterday but my order is suspended until I can tell the suppliers who is going to install it. I did not know that you need F-gas certified maintenance engineer to install even just a stand alone air source hot water.
That makes sense. We need to provide an opportunity for cowboys to set up and skin even more money from the cost of keeping warm.
 

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they got us already, our only choice is to pay now or later and there is little difference between Labour's and Conservatives position at the moment.
I saw Ed Miliband on TV this morning. He waffles a lot as usual but has nothing new to say.
The only way to cut the bills is for people to generate electricity themselves without waiting for planning approval. That'll give the energy companies some competition.
BTW, I was buying a heat pump yesterday but my order is suspended until I can tell the suppliers who is going to install it. I did not know that you need F-gas certified maintenance engineers to install and maintain it. It's only a stand alone air source hot water system.
Wow, Woosh.. sounds like a trip to France and Brico Depo is on the cards. , Then a round trip via Dublin to Belfast and on to Cairnryan. Even the split units , where the evaporator is outside and the rest inside come with preloaded sealed tubing , so that as you make the final connection the fluidic circuit is made .
Coincidentally , and it refers obliquely to Zlatans posting, I today noticed that my Electricity supplier is now required to give me an estimated refund of the PV electricity ,I exported to the grid since last February at 15 cents per KW.hr. If I had a smart meter it would be accurate
 
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I think she is quite well enough. I'm sure that we are seeing is the Palace trying to keep her alive as long as possible, even to 100, though that is unlikely. Just as they did with Prince Philip.
Looks like I was too optimistic on Tuesday, with the Palace announcing concern for the Queen's health and her family members travelling to Balmoral to be with her.
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A bit off topic (given that we're all totally ******), but also not (since we will be paying for the govt post election posts as advisors in big energy for the next 20 years). MG4 has v2l (3.6kw like ev6 I believe, so not inconsequential). And can be effectively recharged using evse on an off grid solar system. In a sense its also a 60kwh power wall.
I looked into charging MG4 via Solar panels. Came to conclusion its not actually viable, unless you are only doing 40 miles a day or so, in which case why bother with 64kwh battery?
Best our house could give was 2368 kwh per year. Average just over 6kwh a day.. 10 days to charge car?? And that would require 7 or so kwh battery to make charging at night possible and nothing left for domestic use.
Decided even with now unknown price rises panels don't make economic sense. (£12k to save £329 a year doesn't sound good to me??)
Looking at heat pumps tho.
 

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