The evidence for this is all around you if you live in the UK just talk to some leave voters.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Zlatan will approve of this man's rhetoric in the Express
'We are at WAR' Brexiteer warns EU is 'intent on Britain's Brexit DEFEAT'
AN ardent Brexiteer has declared that Britain is at "war" with the EU who are the "enemies" of the nation "intent on our defeat" during Brexit negotiations.
Max Gammon, a lifelong Brexiteer and Ukip supporter, declared Britain's fight to leave the Brussels bloc as a "struggle for freedom", warning that Brexit was currently under a "deadly threat". During a passionate speech to the Bruges Group, a eurosceptic think thank in Westminster, he accused politicians of "failing" to tell the people the "crucial" issues at stake", saying: "They have given us a false picture".
Mr Gammon said: "We are incapable of bringing ourselves to understand a deadly threat to our freedom, indeed a threat to our very existence as a nation."
He said EU bosses calling for the UK to Remain in the bloc despite the nation's vote to leave were the "words of an enemy, intent on our defeat"."
He's wrong of course, many of us do perceive a deadly threat to our freedom,for what more of a threat can there be to be deprived of citizenship of the EU and free movement therein?
'We are at WAR' Brexiteer warns EU is 'intent on Britain's Brexit DEFEAT'
AN ardent Brexiteer has declared that Britain is at "war" with the EU who are the "enemies" of the nation "intent on our defeat" during Brexit negotiations.
Max Gammon, a lifelong Brexiteer and Ukip supporter, declared Britain's fight to leave the Brussels bloc as a "struggle for freedom", warning that Brexit was currently under a "deadly threat". During a passionate speech to the Bruges Group, a eurosceptic think thank in Westminster, he accused politicians of "failing" to tell the people the "crucial" issues at stake", saying: "They have given us a false picture".
Mr Gammon said: "We are incapable of bringing ourselves to understand a deadly threat to our freedom, indeed a threat to our very existence as a nation."
He said EU bosses calling for the UK to Remain in the bloc despite the nation's vote to leave were the "words of an enemy, intent on our defeat"."
He's wrong of course, many of us do perceive a deadly threat to our freedom,for what more of a threat can there be to be deprived of citizenship of the EU and free movement therein?
A nicely argued position, but with one flaw. Economics is a means not an end. My illustration, almost as valid as your corner shop is. If I bake a loaf of nice wholemeal bread and eat it, I achieve the necessary end goal..satisfaction and a full tummy. But no" economic good". If I buy my loaf of loaf of bread,, perhaps poorer in composition , certainly more stale, from a shop, I have performed an economic good.
OxygenJames said:
Again its the Greens lobby who have gotten to people here. They say things like a green economy would create so many jobs - which in fact means it would take MORE EFFORT to get the same amount of energy. Instead of freeing those people up to work on a cure for cancer or a new 4D holographic computer interface - they have to work generating energy. Doh.
Another flaw is that people without the education or skills to cure cancer or work in high tech jobs could be employed installing green energy equipment. French economists now widely accept that it was an error to destroy 2 million industrial jobs by outsourcing to China. Instead of paying taxes those people are now hanging about on roundabouts and generally being a cost to the country.
Again its the Greens lobby who have gotten to people here. They say things like a green economy would create so many jobs - which in fact means it would take MORE EFFORT to get the same amount of energy. Instead of freeing those people up to work on a cure for cancer or a new 4D holographic computer interface - they have to work generating energy. Doh.
Another flaw is that people without the education or skills to cure cancer or work in high tech jobs could be employed installing green energy equipment. French economists now widely accept that it was an error to destroy 2 million industrial jobs by outsourcing to China. Instead of paying taxes those people are now hanging about on roundabouts and generally being a cost to the country.
Unfortunately it is far too late to change people without major trouble.
Poor people simply get into debt, they neither understand nor can afford the process of going bankrupt
"People in the UK owed £1.616 TRILLION at the end of November 2018. This figure is up from £1.569 TRILLION at the end of November 2017 – an extra £898.71 per UK adult.
if those two million people are asked to vote in a similar referendum, they'll vote out.
The SM needs a social component.
the EU needs to do something about this and urgently.
Improbable though it may seem, apparently yes!Max Gammon, is it his real name?
It needs a Compulsory Social Component
Not ones subject to opt outs as we did
They are bust, bankrupt. Many households in the U.K. are bankrupt in reality, but on credit life support. That is what enables them to maintain the illusion of wealth with such things as the white Range Rover Evoke lease car. I hope no one pulls the plug.
This is another reason why I switched to Remain. IF jobs disappear, what happens to the debt? The whole house of cards comes down and that will affect those who have been sensible with their finances.
I think the EU will be able to work towards that social component once rid of the UK.
Oh and once the policy on migration is sorted... 7 government leaders arguing about what to do about a mass invasion (!) of 47 migrants this week - not very encouraging.
Maybe you need to go back to school - and study something called 'statistics' - it's when you realise one example of a sample means 'fkuc all'.
And they STILL don't get it! Staying in a 'customs union' IS NOT BREXIT!
Doh.
It's like breaking up with your GF and saying 'but we can still have sex yes?'.
No! You can't still have sex!
So long as they can cover their interest payments - it's fine for now. Interest rates though HAVE to go up - the pension funds are getting killed so there is only one way for it to go. So it's obviously not a good idea having debt that is not on a (manageable) fixed rate of interest.
Boris is right. Why take her side? Because you already made your mind up! DOH.
Yeah - he's usually one of the more rational posters (within reason) - but that was plain dumb.
Sure. And all Remainers are not spineless-attention-seeking-losers. But let's be honest. All spineless-attention-seeking-losers voted Remain.
Sorry to heavily edit your original post, but those are a couple of sentences with which I whole heartedly agree. I think Brexit COULD cause interest rates to rise to an unsustainable level for many. Again, another roll of the dice with quite severe consequences if the right numbers don’t come up.
Is what we stand to gain worth the risk? I don’t know the answer to that.