Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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Sorry to heavily edit your original post, but those are a couple of sentences with which I whole heartedly agree. I think Brexit COULD cause interest rates to rise to an unsustainable level for many. Again, another roll of the dice with quite severe consequences if the right numbers don’t come up.

Is what we stand to gain worth the risk? I don’t know the answer to that.
Interest rates going up has NOTHING to do with Brexit. Globally this is the trend right now.
 

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Zlatan will approve of this man's rhetoric in the Express
'We are at WAR' Brexiteer warns EU is 'intent on Britain's Brexit DEFEAT'
AN ardent Brexiteer has declared that Britain is at "war" with the EU who are the "enemies" of the nation "intent on our defeat" during Brexit negotiations.
Max Gammon, a lifelong Brexiteer and Ukip supporter, declared Britain's fight to leave the Brussels bloc as a "struggle for freedom", warning that Brexit was currently under a "deadly threat". During a passionate speech to the Bruges Group, a eurosceptic think thank in Westminster, he accused politicians of "failing" to tell the people the "crucial" issues at stake", saying: "They have given us a false picture".
Mr Gammon said: "We are incapable of bringing ourselves to understand a deadly threat to our freedom, indeed a threat to our very existence as a nation."

He said EU bosses calling for the UK to Remain in the bloc despite the nation's vote to leave were the "words of an enemy, intent on our defeat"."

He's wrong of course, many of us do perceive a deadly threat to our freedom,for what more of a threat can there be to be deprived of citizenship of the EU and free movement therein?

That is fake
 

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Not if you have a decent credit score you don't.
Well I think you do. If a person / organisation spends more than the income, debt increases, the credit charges increase, the person’s net value is an ever increasing minus figure with no strategy to halt it. There has to be a reckoning day and I think Brexit will bring reckoning day forwards for a lot of people. It’s a bomb and we keep holding the match near the fuse.

It doesn’t really affect me, I can weather it out, but I will feel bad that I originally voted Leave if it all blows up in people’s faces.
 
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Kudoscycles

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And they STILL don't get it! Staying in a 'customs union' IS NOT BREXIT!

Doh.

It's like breaking up with your GF and saying 'but we can still have sex yes?'.

No! You can't still have sex!
Staying in a customs union and the single market is not Brexit,you are correct,it is Brino.....to take your analogy about sex,if it suits both why cant you still have sex,who knows you may enjoy it and want to get back together!!!!!
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oldgroaner

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And they STILL don't get it! Staying in a 'customs union' IS NOT BREXIT!

Doh.

It's like breaking up with your GF and saying 'but we can still have sex yes?'.

No! You can't still have sex!
Neither is the rest of her deal if you really want to quarrel over tiny technical details, but they will end up agreeing to it rather than get nothing for all the effort they have wasted on disrupting the nation.
 

OxygenJames

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Staying in a customs union and the single market is not Brexit,you are correct,it is Brino.....to take your analogy about sex,if it suits both why cant you still have sex,who knows you may enjoy it and want to get back together!!!!!
KudosDave
Dave you and me should go have a beer one day. I think we'd get along just fine.
 

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he is wrong on quite a few points.
self sufficiency is a myth. Even on foodstuff like lamb where we can in principle be self sufficient, due to seasonal nature of farming and requirements of food retail, about half of our production is exported and we import also about half of our consumption.
We have to charge at WTO tariff until there are bilateral agreements. If we don't charge tariff on say Irish beef, that does not stop the EU charging us tariff on our export to them, greatly reducing our farmers' profit on export and killing profit on UK internal meat market for our farmers.
Anything we buy cheaper elsewhere will enrich the importers and work against our farmers. Typical example, if we don't charge WTO tariff on sugars, British Sugars will make a mint while our beet farmers can't compete.
There is a lot more like this, I am sure if you apply a critical eye, you can see just as clearly.
 

OxygenJames

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In fairness, I did say COULD, not WILL.
It's nothing to do with Brexit. Longer term interest rates have to rise. I am talking globally and relating this to much longer term trends. For now we're safe. But for how long? Who knows.
 

OxygenJames

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he is wrong on quite a few points.
self sufficiency is a myth. Even on foodstuff like lamb where we can in principle be self sufficient, due to seasonal nature of farming and requirements of food retail, about half of our production is exported and we import also about half of our consumption.
We have to charge at WTO tariff until there are bilateral agreements. If we don't charge tariff on say Irish beef, that does not stop the EU charging us tariff on our export to them, greatly reducing our farmers' profit on export and killing profit on UK internal meat market.
Anything we buy cheaper elsewhere will enrich the importers and work against our farmers. Typical example, if we don't charge WTO tariff on sugars, British Sugars will make a mint while our beet farmers can't compete.
There is a lot more like this, I am sure if you apply a critical eye, you can see just as clearly.
Where does he talk about self-sufficiency? Huh? He's saying we'd all get cheaper food (from overseas or whereever) - if we stop bailing out our farmers. Or our farmers would be more efficient. Nothing to do with self-sufficiency.

Like he said (did you even read it thoroughly I wonder) - its 64m of us versus 55,000 farmers. Otherwise known as....... drum roll............ Democracy.
 

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Like he said (did you even read it thoroughly I wonder) - its 64m of us versus 55,000 farmers. Otherwise known as....... drum roll............ Democracy.
so you think it's OK to wipe out 55,000 farmers.
 

OxygenJames

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Well I think you do. If a person / organisation spends more than the income, debt increases, the credit charges increase, the person’s net value is an ever increasing minus figure with no strategy to halt it. There has to be a reckoning day and I think Brexit will bring reckoning day forwards for a lot of people. It’s a bomb and we keep holding the match near the fuse.

It doesn’t really affect me, I can weather it out, but I will feel bad that I originally voted Leave if it all blows up in people’s faces.
You're all of a sudden an expert on this huh? Only a few months ago you were voting leave and now you're a debt expert? ((((((you)))))

Now. Debt it not bad. Credit is not bad. Credit is the blessing that enables us to use resources now with a promise to pay them back (backed by people who have money to lend you) - one of the wonders of capitalism.
 

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This one is due to Brexit:

Investment in the UK car industry has dropped by almost 80% in three years, all due to the uncertainties of course.

The cost will be tomorrow's jobs and that returning investment will be in mainland Europe instead if WTO tariffs apply.

Whatever else one thinks of it, that risk is removed if May's deal is agreed.
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OxygenJames

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so you think it's OK to wipe out 55,000 farmers.
Absolutely. Just like its OK to wipe out any number of other jobs that are not worth the value they proclaim to add. Who gains? The consumer! Joe Bloggs. Ordinary people.

Fine if you don't agree - go listen to the National Union of Farmers and their 'I want my free hand-outs' lobbyists. See what fun you'll have in their company over the long term.
 
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Woosh

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There has to be a reckoning day and I think Brexit will bring reckoning day forwards for a lot of people. It’s a bomb and we keep holding the match near the fuse.
that 'we' comprises about 30 MPs out of 650, practically all are conservative MPs.
 

OxygenJames

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This one is due to Brexit:

Investment in the UK car industry has dropped by almost 80% in three years, all due to the uncertainties of course.

The cost will be tomorrow's jobs and that returning investment will be in mainland Europe instead if WTO tariffs apply.

Whatever else one thinks of it, that risk is removed if May's deal is agreed.
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Yup. There is a cost associated with the freedom we're supposed to be getting. It was never about the money.
 
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oldgroaner

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Sure. And all Remainers are not spineless-attention-seeking-losers. But let's be honest. All spineless-attention-seeking-losers voted Remain.
Let's look at your statement

Which decison constitutes being spineless
  1. To retreat from the EU out of irrational fear and the thought we can't hold our own with the "big Boys" and pretend that this defeat is "patriotic"?
  2. To Vote to remain because we are confident that we can achieve what we want and are not too frightened to bargain with equals.
Clearly that equates with the inescapable conclusion

All spineless-attention-seeking-losers voted ....leave, and in the process left the future o Europe at the mercy of the people they feared most, Germany.

How do they deal with this fear? they rig a referendum to leave the scene of the so called conflict and leave us relying on the charity of the people they fear, who will now create a powerful Military Force that could have been part of our Defence strategy and by leaving we have ensured it is someone elses.

What a bloody silly decision,
And here we have Cowardice served as False Patriotism in a totally pathetic distortion of the truth.
Leaving the EU isn't a noble act, it's cowardly stupidity.

And look at the quality of the Leave champions
Johnson, Gove, Banks , Mogg etc., a bloody squalid lot of liars and con artists who should be in jail for the damage they have wrought to the benefit of Putin.
 

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