Brexit, for once some facts.

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not one of you has the decency to tell Tom he is out of order, yet ironically the tiniest detail offered by any leaver is both quickly scrutinised and often put down.
I'm used to see them but don't read posts containing the word 'troll' in this thread.
When fingers was thinking of leaving the thread because of this, I encouraged him to put his point of view here for peer review.
 
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Zlatan

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Hello Zlatan! Welcome back!
How's the Swamp Draining business?
Seriously Welcome back....
I only call to get a perverse view of what isn't happening, a recap of a mad view of life. Thanks for thoughts tho OG.
Not much in Swamp nowadays.
 
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10 years of Tory cuts and austerity will do that to any nation.

Lets see how a Labour/corbyn government does when it gets in. We are hardy bunch and despite what it looks like on here quite optimistic too.

New industries are sprouting up all the time. We are the world leader in renewable energy technology (we've just finished building the worlds biggest wind farm ) and we're well ahead of the curve in electric vehicles to name but 2.

For a country we punch well above our weight so don't worry too much on our behalf.
Actually we didn't build the worlds biggest wind farm did we?
Dong, Denmark’s state-backed energy utility, did that using Siemens turbines.
 
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I'm used to see them but don't read posts containing the word 'troll' in this thread.
When fingers was thinking of leaving the thread because of this, I encouraged him to put his point of view here for peer review.
I, ve said before Woosh you deserve a medal for patience shown towards Tom. Post wasn't directed at you. I do think a word from his nearest and dearest might be more productive. I suspect he views those leaving forum as victories .In truth they leave but with stronger views and more anti labour/remain feelings.
 

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I thought you could share your musings on how things are going, surely?
I think EU are realising a deal has to be done for a number of reasons
Firstly the bean counters are starting to realise massive financial harm will be done to all of Europe without a good deal for both sides.
Secondly with Russia and China showing their strength a united Europe (not EU) is more important.
Thirdly without a good deal Italy Germany and France will go over EU and strike individual deals..
All sort of like Peter Lansdown said around 2 years ago.
I, ve just returned from 7 weeks in Spain/Northern France. General feeling amongst nationals.. Not impressed with EU and generally more support for UK. Many saying we are doing right thing,which is different to last year. Expats worried about pensions but cost of living still less than here.
So actually things are fine. (Interestingly many EU restoration projects around Carcassonne have been put on hold. Always thought we (UK) should own half the now beautifully renovated villages around Figeac. Oh and our local Mayor is out of prison for fraudulent behaviour around building land/permission. His replacement has just sent me a compulsory purchase oder on a piece of land attached to a house we had almost sold. (sale has had to fall through, change in contract) My French solicitor assures me his behaviour is illegal but charged 900 euros for a letter, which mayor will ignore.
So, yes just more evidence of EU corruption. (OK French) Perhaps I should write to my MEP, quickly.
 

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I think EU are realising a deal has to be done for a number of reasons
Firstly the bean counters are starting to realise massive financial harm will be done to all of Europe without a good deal for both sides.
Secondly with Russia and China showing their strength a united Europe (not EU) is more important.
Thirdly without a good deal Italy Germany and France will go over EU and strike individual deals..
All sort of like Peter Lansdown said around 2 years ago.
I, ve just returned from 7 weeks in Spain/Northern France. General feeling amongst nationals.. Not impressed with EU and generally more support for UK. Many saying we are doing right thing,which is different to last year. Expats worried about pensions but cost of living still less than here.
So actually things are fine. (Interestingly many EU restoration projects around Carcassonne have been put on hold. Always thought we (UK) should own half the now beautifully renovated villages around Figeac. Oh and our local Mayor is out of prison for fraudulent behaviour around building land/permission. His replacement has just sent me a compulsory purchase oder on a piece of land attached to a house we had almost sold. (sale has had to fall through, change in contract) My French solicitor assures me his behaviour is illegal but charged 900 euros for a letter, which mayor will ignore.
So, yes just more evidence of EU corruption. (OK French) Perhaps I should write to my MEP, quickly.
Well I agree that there is no chance now of a no deal Brexit, although it would please Mogg and co it simply isn't practical for anybody.
His ERA group seems to have turned out to be a damp squib.
I wonder if a deal will emerge where Tax Havens come into the agreement?
That would be entertaining to say the least!
 

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Well I agree that there is no chance now of a no deal Brexit, although it would please Mogg and co it simply isn't practical for anybody.
His ERA group seems to have turned out to be a damp squib.
I wonder if a deal will emerge where Tax Havens come into the agreement?
That would be entertaining to say the least!
The Chequers deal suits EU. They are playing poker. It's a fudge to keep May in power. A no deal would probably lead to Labour/Corbyn weaker pound, weaker UK, weaker Europe(and we, d still leave) . Putin and China have influenced EU. They have enough enemies without us as one.
May will get a deal, stay in power and we, ll muddle through. Not really leaving, not really staying. EU doesn't want a Labour government in UK. They think May is weak but don't understand Corbyn.,but who does.
 
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Well I agree that there is no chance now of a no deal Brexit, although it would please Mogg and co it simply isn't practical for anybody.
His ERA group seems to have turned out to be a damp squib.
I wonder if a deal will emerge where Tax Havens come into the agreement?
That would be entertaining to say the least!
The Tax haven is called Luxembourg. But there is an EU proposal to rename it Junkerland.
 

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Ah so even though you can't produce any facts or predict the future you now say you did understand?
Tell me apart from the fact you disliked the EU exactly what did you understand?
And once again you trot out the same old "Remainers are arrogant" nonsense, when in fact it's the leavers who didn't know what they were doing and still have no clue of the consequences.
No one was asking you to stick to the status quo (even though from your remarks you had no idea of the value of it did you)
If you don't like the status quo you don't quit and run away as we have done, you send competent politicians to work for change, not the Monty Python actors we have as MEP's
Who's actions have never appeared oddly enough in the media.
Now I wonder why not?
How on Earth did you come up with the notion that somehow we would be better off outside the EU based on nothing except as you have admitted a dislike of it and desire to leave?

What sort of person gambles the future on nothing other than a whim?
And you say Do you know me?
Of course not, but the mindset you show is not in any way novel, in fact it is as I suspected spread among enough individuals to do the sort of harm to the nation that Brexit has done.

If you look back to the very start of this thread I predicted a win for the leave camp, and in fact expected it to be with a bigger margin, because I understand how convincing a life long anti EU blaming policy can affect the attitud of people who don't actually bother to check the veracity of the facts fed to them, and the lies and promises were icing on the cake that clinched the leave Victory.
The EU is failing? hang on, who just said he can't predict the future?
The propaganda machine is still working isn't it?
I don’t NEED to explain why I voted out old boy. That argument is done. Although going forward can you tell me how you feel about this? And any of the other remainers? Would this change your mind?

Genuinely interested to know.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/12/juncker-calls-on-eu-to-seize-chance-to-become-major-sovereign-power

Or are you so signed up with the project that anything goes now?
 
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I don’t NEED to explain why I voted out old boy. That argument is done. Although going forward can you tell me how you feel about this? And any of the other remainers? Would this change your mind?

Genuinely interested to know.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/12/juncker-calls-on-eu-to-seize-chance-to-become-major-sovereign-power

Or are you so signed up with the project that anything goes now?
The mere fact Junkers is such a powerful figure in EU should be enough for anyone to want out of EU. His policies in Luxembourg should serve as enough evidence to both what the man stands for , his elitism and exactly how he goes about achieving prosperity for those he thinks deserve it. It's just so ironic how on here his actions are ignored, applauded and justified yet the very people doing so will attack uk politicians and leavers in general. The man is a disgrace. His policies have kept millions in poverty around EU whilst raising Luxembourg to almost highest GDP per capita in the world. I just don't understand how he can be seen as democratic, socially minded or even fair. EU is controlled by such as Junker, white middle class elitist males.
 
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The thing is though, had remain won I wouldn't be whining like a little girl. I'd just move on and accept it.
Farage said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

In other words, arch anti-EU person was one of those who most clearly said that he would NOT have accepted the narrow result.
 

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Keep up yourself
Vestas 8-MW wind turbines and a further 47 Siemens Gamesa 7-MW wind turbines.
Both foreign companies, so what on Earth ar
Sure is. It’s as fake as project fear.
Sure is. It’s as fake as project fear.
Once again you are mistaken what else other than fear led to the Brexit voters being conned into voting for leave?
Cowardice was the prime mover.
Unable to hold our own we took the ball home!
 
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