Brexit, for once some facts.
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Yes, you did 'Woosh' but 'Fingers' joined in this discussion and immediately made it very clear that he voted for and remains a huge supporter of 'Brexit'.
On being challenged to furnish some information on how the UK might benefit from secession, he failed to provide any evidence of how, when or where the population of the UK might see their lot improved. He has steadfastly remained unwilling or unable to provide any joined-up description of any and I repeat, any, area in which the man or woman in the street might see some improvement in their daily life, be it economic, social or ecological.
Instead, the forum has once again been subjected to withering attacks and argument about everything and anything, frequently a long way off topic, just like the previous troll who still pops up occasionally to haunt these pages.
It isn't a debate here, debates being governed by a set of agreed rules, but surely if someone wishes to argue a case for something, in this instance facts about 'Brexit', then it would be useful if they have some idea in the first place of the likely ramifications of the project for which they voted and continue to argue.
These trolls are usually quickly identified and thrown out of most online forums but this particular forum, being self-policing for the most part, doesn't seem bothered by their presence even though the clowns who continue to argue for secession are simply following along the same course that began with the lies and deceptions of people who have been thoroughly discredited over the last two years.
Argument and disruption is all that trolls bring to internet forums and only very rarely does their input show any value and then, usually in the hope of acquiring the agreement of just one friendly contributor; that's how they operate. They just want to get one or two onside and they believe they have then become accepted while they continue their disruptive behaviour, with lots of ad hominem material instead of producing any facts to justify their opinions.
The remain side have the facts and the history which demonstrate just how beneficial the EU has been for the UK over nearly half a century. Just ask 'Brexit' supporters why they want to leave the EU. Not once have I heard a good reason, not once!
When it is easily proved that it can't be the economics that make it attractive, one has every right to question the motive for supporting 'Brexit'. Sadly, so many of them cannot even be honest about their reason.
Tom
Project fear has brainwashed most remainers and given yourself enough propaganda for 35000 plus posts. It's all you have spoken about for over 2 years.
As I mentioned earlier. He would say that. It’s literally his job.
The vast majority of leavers would have moved on pretty quickly. Although I daresay there would have been a clamour to leave again in a few years as the project moves further and further away from non Euro members.
As I just explained in another post
The original Project Fear was the motivation behind Brexit not against it
And your comment about Propaganda is in a way true, I keep pointing at the falshoods behind the Brexit lies and false promises
Not a debate. Never a truer word. The single fact agreed by all on here would be you are totally devoid of any debating skills. You now elicit support from a poster you previously labelled idiotic, racist and xenophobic. Pathetic.
If there was a modicum of control on here you would have been banned months ago.
Why anyone hits agree buttons on your posts is a complete mystery? Or is it Tom ?
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But not of the buncum put out by Osborn in support of remaining.? Like the predicted collapse of FTSE within a week of vote leave? Its hardly altered.
He would say that because it's simply true and all the more remarkable when coming from a serial liar like him
I have never expressed support for any comments by any Tory to my recollection, and you know that, are you now trying to make out there have not been serious and unnecessary costs associated with the Brexit process, or that any of the Promises have been kept?
What about there is no question of leaving the single Market and the Customs union for instance?
You silly sausage. If you actually read my posts properly before you start mashing your keyboard you would have seen this was one of my major reasons for wanting to leave the EU.
Instead of posting silly and badly put together Facebook memes read my posts.
Better information and more quickly delivered.
Nice try but using a mirror and attempting inversion of the truth won't work,
Did you read it in the book 1984?
Mein gott. Are you sure you’re not a bot?
Is this just some massive Turing Test I’ve been tricked into?
Well I’ve clocked it. What do I win?
Then perhaps you can explain how leaving the EU will stop them doing this chumming up anyway?
And since the Referendum was a couple of years ago, did you predict this in a Crystal ball?
Remember that you said that you can't predict the future, so you can hardly backdate a comment on a current event and give it as a reason for action back then, can you?
But thank you for confirming my point, it was fear of what was going on that made you want to leave the EU, clearly you must regard this country as being incapable of working inside a larger group to achieve results.
And I have never claimed Leave campaign was truthful. Both sides told lies and fostered fear. IMO remain more so than leave.
That's exactly why it's important to try and utilise one's own experience. Hence my decision based on findings whilst living, working and playing throughout EU past 20 years.
People do not, should not ever have to explain their reasoning for voting as they did using others criteria. It's exactly what Tom and yourself do not understand. I simply do not accept your claimed logical reasoning. It is logical by your reasoning, not mine.
I do not want to be part of EU. End of. Thanks but no thanks.
Calling posters xenophobic, racist misinformed, lacking in education missing the point, continually regurgitating remain propaganda or whatever simply reinforces leavers feelings for leaving.
You don't see it OG but you have actually done remain more harm than good. (especially when you hit like button for Tom which amazes me from you)
You sound like a controlling father telling his son why he should not leave his wife. It does not work OG. And neither does EU.
Yes we know you want a federal state of Europe. Many in UK do not. Actually as it turned out a majority .
You continually justify a political union on back of a fiscal trading justification. The EU is without doubt a political entity. We joined a trading block.and all your justifications for EU revolve around financial reasoning. I do not want to be ruled from Brussels. I am happy with Westminster even with all its faults its still infinitely better than EU model.IMHO.
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So you want to be a non contributory hanger on in someone else's country.
Inflating the costs for the native population.
And holding the way they are organised in contempt?
Why then did you want to impose Brexit on us here if you don't even want to live here?
Well, I can't think what happened on Monday (or didn't) when we were led to believe a challenge to the PM would be lodged…..mmm!
That leaves us no further forward with the 'Brexit' nonsense but this little infographic pretty well nails it for me:
Some more on the 'Brexit' case can be found on this link…..
https://inktank.fi/these-4-letters-about-brexit-all-went-viral-its-easy-to-see-why/
Tom
That leaves us no further forward with the 'Brexit' nonsense but this little infographic pretty well nails it for me:
Some more on the 'Brexit' case can be found on this link…..
https://inktank.fi/these-4-letters-about-brexit-all-went-viral-its-easy-to-see-why/
Tom