Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

So you want to be a non contributory hanger on in someone else's country.
Inflating the costs for the native population.
And holding the way they are organised in contempt?
Why then did you want to impose Brexit on us here if you don't even want to live here?

I do live here??? Come and visit if you wish. There is a good ferry service from Hull OG, a good many airports even in North.
And you want to impose a federal EU Brussels led superpower on me. That's why we voted. To see which was most popular..
I like Jamaica, visit frequently, love the place ,but don't want political unification with Jamaicans.
Time you convinced me why a federal Europe would even survive, especially so when you consider it utilises at best funny money, likely to collapse . And then convince me why I want to be governed by a elitist, racist, corrupt Junker.( or a system that put him at its head)
Come on OG, why is my life going to be helped by a leader only interested in getting his own country top of GDP league. A system with known democratic failings. A system far removed from my locality and yours . You just don't get it do you OG. I do not want to be part of an EU state. Thanks.
Attempts at being condescending are pointless. Don't lower yourself OG.

If you are so dissatisfied with Westminster you could always emigrate OG. Carcassonne is lovely this time of year.

 

[oldtom]

Then perhaps you can explain how leaving the EU will stop them doing this chumming up anyway?

I don't know why you bother OG; he isn't capable of explaining anything about 'Brexit' as we have witnessed ever since he arrived in this forum.

Although several contributors here have lived long enough to remember the UK before our unrelenting begging finally got us into the Common Market, I just have the impression that our latest troll isn't old enough to have any such memories, indeed I question whether he has his parents' permission to be on the internet at this time of night.

Tom

 

[Fingers]

Then perhaps you can explain how leaving the EU will stop them doing this chumming up anyway?

And since the Referendum was a couple of years ago, did you predict this in a Crystal ball?

Remember that you said that you can't predict the future, so you can hardly backdate a comment on a current event and give it as a reason for action back then, can you?

But thank you for confirming my point, it was fear of what was going on that made you want to leave the EU, clearly you must regard this country as being incapable of working inside a larger group to achieve results.

It won’t stop them. I’ve been saying this since almost my first post on this thread.

It’s not a secret. The next phase is central funding. This means Brussels will give each Euro country an allowance to spend each budget.

I’m not Nostradamus this isn’t guesswork. It’s part of the project.

So again. Yet again. This is why it was inevitable we would be leaving. We will never join the Euro so why be part of a club that your not really in?

You can’t trick me into saying something because I’m not lying.

 

[Zlatan]

I don't know why you bother OG; he isn't capable of explaining anything about 'Brexit' as we have witnessed ever since he arrived in this forum.

Although several contributors here have lived long enough to remember the UK before our unrelenting begging finally got us into the Common Market, I just have the impression that our latest troll isn't old enough to have any such memories, indeed I question whether he has his parents' permission to be on the internet at this time of night.

Tom

Again,, grains of truth. We joined Common Market. We, ve ended up discussing a European (EU) superpower. (Junker wants EU to be exactly that)

The EU can only develop long term stability with central fiscal control. Its an essential element of a United States. At some point tax, social care, all fiscal control would have to be centralised. Anybody who has studied how a single currency can work understands this.
We could not remain as we are and neither can the remaining 27 states. (sorry countries)
The problems we are seeing regularly Greece etc are evidence of exactly this.

 

[Woosh]

Again,, grains of truth. We joined Common Market. We, ve ended up discussing a European (EU) superpower. (Junker wants EU to be exactly that)

the irony is, fast forward a generation, 25-30 years into the future, a super power EU27 may be the only peaceful / peace loving and law abiding super power on earth.
The UK would have become a much less important country, falling behind India, Canada, Russia and Brasil.

 

[Zlatan]

the irony is, fast forward a generation, 25-30 years into the future, a super power EU27 may be the only peaceful / peace loving and law abiding super power on earth.
The UK would have become a much less important country, falling behind India, Canada, Russia and Brasil.

You could be right but yet again that isn't (or wasn't) put forward to us. Sterling would have to be dropped, Sovereignty totally moved to Brussels etc. Isn't that all rather underhand from the EU? They know full well where EU is going. Is that being explained to its 28 members.??

 

[Woosh]

You could be right but yet again that isn't (or wasn't) put forward to us. Sterling would have to be dropped, Sovereignty totally moved to Brussels etc. Isn't that all rather underhand from the EU? They know full well where EU is going. Is that being explained to its 28 members.??

I don't think it's the EU's fault, after all, Maastricht treaty is quite clear about where the EU is heading, it's our successive PMs who have hidden/downplayed that fact to a lot of voters, preferring the immediate increase in labour mobility and lower interest rates,

 

[Zlatan]

I don't think it's the EU's fault, after all, Maastricht treaty is quite clear about where the EU is heading, it's our successive PMs who have hidden/downplayed that fact to a lot of voters, preferring the immediate increase in labour mobility and lower interest rates,

Yes, I agree. Even Junkers has been honest about where EU is going. I wonder if its helped or hindered cause throughout EU, especially Italy with 5 star.

 

[Fingers]

Yes, I agree. Even Junkers has been honest about where EU is going. I wonder if its helped or hindered cause throughout EU, especially Italy with 5 star.

And then factor in ‘rogue’ nations like Hungary, nearly Austria possibly Poland and even Sweden who will go further to the right when these controls are further gripped and you have a recipe for disaster.

For me immigration isn’t even the number 5 reason for leaving but for countries like Italy, Denmark Greece, Sweden and pariah countries like Hungary it is.

The EU project is in a pickle and Germans are getting real tired of lending money. I personally think the EU will reign it in a quite a bit after Juncker leaves. Will it be enough.

His speech today was something like a dictators. If Trump has come out with half that **** he would have rightly been derided as an isolationist, protectionist fool.

Juncker is indulged like a friendly, drunken, harmless uncle.

 

[Woosh]

Yes, I agree. Even Junkers has been honest about where EU is going. I wonder if its helped or hindered cause throughout EU, especially Italy with 5 star.

The EU is going to pick up the tab for border control and deal with repatriation of African migrants. 5* will strengthen their position while taking EU's money.

 

[Danidl]

What I really do not understand about many posters on here is when Tom posts such horrible posts as this (to be fair he has posted far worse and will probably do so in response to this) and not one of you has the decency to tell Tom he is out of order, yet ironically the tiniest detail offered by any leaver is both quickly scrutinised and often put down.
Tom has behaved like this for over 12 months now and put many off posting. He, those offering support and those refusing to criticise this kind of abuse should be ashamed. We are all supposed to be adults and should be capable of criticising poor behaviour whatever our political views.
He should have been banned months ago.
I, ve said it before but its true. Tom is indirectly helping leavers and tories.

.. I believe that I have criticized postings and positions taken by every poster on this thread,including the Toms and your good self.

 

[Danidl]

Do keep up old chap.

https://www.windpowerengineering.com/business-news-projects/worlds-biggest-offshore-wind-farm-opens/

Thank you for confirming that was in fact the Danish Company Dong' rebranded as orsted, and using Vestas ( Danish) and Siemens( german) technology, and using planning from Denmark to make this best of British technology... The power cables linking the turbines are British, and the turbine blades are manucatured inithe uk by satellite plants of Vestas and Siemems n what exactly was the UK contribution to this state of the art facility beyond real estate, civil engineering services and a market?.. The total list of UK company involment is listed in the Orsted website, ..down to the portacabins.

 

[Danidl]

I don’t NEED to explain why I voted out old boy. That argument is done. Although going forward can you tell me how you feel about this? And any of the other remainers? Would this change your mind?

Genuinely interested to know.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/12/juncker-calls-on-eu-to-seize-chance-to-become-major-sovereign-power

Or are you so signed up with the project that anything goes now?

I thought that Junkers comments in that article are very reasonable

 

[Fingers]

I thought that Junkers comments in that article are very reasonable

It sounded like good old fashioned colonialism to me.

Each to their own I guess.

 

[Fingers]

Thank you for confirming that was in fact the Danish Company Dong' rebranded as orsted, and using Vestas ( Danish) and Siemens( german) technology, and using planning from Denmark to make this best of British technology... The power cables linking the turbines are British, and the turbine blades are manucatured inithe uk by satellite plants of Vestas and Siemems n what exactly was the UK contribution to this state of the art facility beyond real estate, civil engineering services and a market?.. The total list of UK company involment is listed in the Orsted website, ..down to the portacabins.

Cutting edge technology in the UK. Market leaders. Not reliant on old fossil fuels is fantastic.

We are literally leading the world.

 

[wheeler]

Not reliant on old fossil fuels is fantastic.

Correct, fantasy. What do you think keeps the lights on when the wind doesn't blow.

We are literally leading the world.

We are doing that all right. Providing a dripping roast for foreign owned power companies.

wheeler

 

[oldgroaner]

I do live here??? Come and visit if you wish. There is a good ferry service from Hull OG, a good many airports even in North.
And you want to impose a federal EU Brussels led superpower on me. That's why we voted. To see which was most popular..
I like Jamaica, visit frequently, love the place ,but don't want political unification with Jamaicans.
Time you convinced me why a federal Europe would even survive, especially so when you consider it utilises at best funny money, likely to collapse . And then convince me why I want to be governed by a elitist, racist, corrupt Junker.( or a system that put him at its head)
Come on OG, why is my life going to be helped by a leader only interested in getting his own country top of GDP league. A system with known democratic failings. A system far removed from my locality and yours . You just don't get it do you OG. I do not want to be part of an EU state. Thanks.
Attempts at being condescending are pointless. Don't lower yourself OG.

If you are so dissatisfied with Westminster you could always emigrate OG. Carcassonne is lovely this time of year.

The difference between you and me is one of commitent, I don't wish to go around sponging off other nations, just want what's best for this one.
And belonging to an EU that will inevitably become a unified superpower while unlikely to appeal to someone of no fixed abode like yourself is the obvious Future.
What you do is simply following self interest with no thought for the future of others.
You really aren't interested in all those claims about democratic failings are you ? after all you simply move on where the profit to be made takes you.
The truth is you don't want to be governed by anyone do you? or commit to anything
Just a non contributory individual in the scheme of things
By all means live a Gypsy existence, just don't preach to those who want a grown up society for the next generation.

 

[oldgroaner]

Cutting edge technology in the UK. Market leaders. Not reliant on old fossil fuels is fantastic.

We are literally leading the world.

By relying on the rest of the world to install their technology and profit from charging us?

We are the World's biggest bunch of mugs if we don't see that we are simply gullible fools to allow ourselves to be treated like a third world nation that can be exploited with ease.
We used to do that with colonies in the Empire, now it's being done to us.

Is this is the best you can come up with as a positive for Brexit?

 

[oldgroaner]

And then factor in ‘rogue’ nations like Hungary, nearly Austria possibly Poland and even Sweden who will go further to the right when these controls are further gripped and you have a recipe for disaster.

For me immigration isn’t even the number 5 reason for leaving but for countries like Italy, Denmark Greece, Sweden and pariah countries like Hungary it is.

The EU project is in a pickle and Germans are getting real tired of lending money. I personally think the EU will reign it in a quite a bit after Juncker leaves. Will it be enough.

His speech today was something like a dictators. If Trump has come out with half that **** he would have rightly been derided as an isolationist, protectionist fool.

Juncker is indulged like a friendly, drunken, harmless uncle.

That qualifies as joke of the day
A Brexit fan calls someone else
an isolationist, protectionist fool.

 

[oyster]

That qualifies as joke of the day
A Brexit fan calls someone else
an isolationist, protectionist fool.

Whatever is said today about free trade, no (or at least low) tariffs, easy movement with minimal non-tariff barriers, will change rapidly the moment anyone is thought to be dumping. Or even claimed to be dumping when they are not.

The difference between the UK doing fantastic mega-wonderful import deals so we get foreign produce at low prices and actual dumping is inevitably arguable, and inevitably takes time to recognise and address. Enough time to cause major damage within the UK.

A small country can be undermined in many directions at once.