That may well all ve true but what on earth has it to do with my previous post ?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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we support the white helmets with money, weapons and advisers.
There seems to be some quite anti stories around about the White helmets likg this
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James Le Mesurier: The Former British Mercenary Who Founded The White Helmets
James Le Mesurier, a British ex-mercenary, founded the White Helmets in 2013. The group has been lauded for its “humanitarian” efforts in Syria, but they have actually functioned more as a logistics and propaganda arm of Syria’s al-Qaeda branch, complete with training from Le Mesurier.
(a former British Intelligence officer)
by Whitney Webb
https://www.mintpressnews.com/james-le-mesurier-british-ex-military-mercenary-founded-white-helmets/230320/
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"The organisation has been the target of a disinformation campaign by supporters of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Iranian and Russia-sponsored media organisations such as Russia Today (RT) and Iranian news agency MNA, with unproven claims of close ties with terrorist activities.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]"
Just who do we believe on anything ?
Our own proven liars or others proven liars ? Think I trust ours just slightly more ?
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"The organisation has been the target of a disinformation campaign by supporters of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Iranian and Russia-sponsored media organisations such as Russia Today (RT) and Iranian news agency MNA, with unproven claims of close ties with terrorist activities.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]"
Just who do we believe on anything ?
Our own proven liars or others proven liars ? Think I trust ours just slightly more ?
No-one. They all lie whenever it's more convenient than telling the truth.
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believe what you want.
I only said their accusations had some support because an eye witness was in the room and on the clip shown on the BBC, a kid got his eyes squirted with something by a medic while his clothes were still dry. Would he be hosed down after that? who knows. The eye witness said on TV, none in that group was treated for poisoning. I had no reason not to believe his account.
That's hardly evidence Woosh and I do not believe what I want. I believe the information which serms more credible, reasonable and explicable. Having UK agents posing or working as humanitarian helpers is rather low, even for us. For Syria/ Russia / Iran to claim so is sort of par for course.
I believe its utter rubbish. You believe what you want.
It does seem there is an ethos to disbelieve anything from our government; perhaps that's an indication of the success of Putin's disinformation.
we have agents working abroad, that's hardly a secret.
How do you think they'd go to work?
No, apparently they wear white helmets and help kids after been gassed.
Like I said, we are being manipulated, some more than others.
The issue has nothing to do with wether we have agents abroad. Its simply do we have agents posing as " White helmets" who are inventing scenarios around the use of banned chemical weapons. You seem to think so, I think not...
Just ask the question who benefits most if " White helmets" are discredited ?
We hardly benefit at all if they are believed. ( apart from your spurious reasons offered earlier).
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Why trust ours more? Immediately after this supposed gas attack in Syria the first UK release said it was chlorine mixed with a nerve gas agent, clearly trying to implicate Russia. But then they backed down once they knew inspectors were going in to check, revising it to chlorine only.
There is clear evidence that Syria has chlorine and has used it previously, that not being illegal as Woosh has pointed out. But this time the accusation has all the hallmarks of it being faked, all part of the ongoing Western campaign against Russia and anyone connected with them.
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How can it be vice versa when it was the UK who issued a dud story and then had to amend it? That only had one guilty party.
It's a UK bad habit, Theresa May saying Salisbury was a Novichoc before Porton Down had been asked to identify it, the false releases after Litvinenko was poisoned, then amended for the inquiry years later, this fake news about the mixing chlorine with nerve gas in Syria.
Until the West stops this idiotic sustained propaganda attack on Russia and it's allies, I'm not going to believe a word on the subject from Western sources. They've lied to us too many times over the years, illegally overthrown too many regimes, for me to believe they are any better than the Russians in this respect.
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He needs to improve his ratings, we are in the middle of a rail strike...
You've just added Macron after I answered. I didn't mention Macron in my fake news post, only the UK announcement.
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like TM, he did not say 'banned chemical weapons', just 'chemical weapons'.
I think our BBC should have explained the difference for completeness when reporting that news.
The world might not need them, but Russia certainly needs Putin. Remember who the USA put into that post, the drunken idiot Yeltsin who brought the country to its knees.
Remember again that Putin years ago expressed interest in joining the EU and NATO, but the West preferred an enemy. We are only where we are because of Western stupidity.
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I'd say we are where we are because we are obsessed with protecting our defense industry.
That too of course. Russia as partners in the EU and NATO would have been very bad news for the defence industry, not just ours but the huge US and French ones too.
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