Brexit, for once some facts.

tillson

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The Daily Mail have tested the wind of public opinion and
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Theresa May faces public backlash for bombing Syria without backing of Parliament as fears grow Russia could strike back with cyber attacks on hospitals, banks and airports
  • The first poll showed that the public believe Mrs May's action was wrong by a majority of almost two to one
  • Public opposition to the raids in the Survation poll was mirrored by signs of political unrest over the strikes
  • Fellow Cabinet Ministers David Davis, Esther McVey and Sajid Javid voiced concern at snubbing Parliament
  • But fears have arisen over a Russian cyber backlash that could see vital services including hospitals attacked

Jumped ship!
Only two to one of the public believe that she was wrong. I would have thought it was higher. Hopefully this marks the beginning of her downfall.
 

tillson

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I like the headline in The Times, “Russian threat to wage dirty campaign against Britain’s elite.” Apparently, Russia are threatening to turf a few skeletons out of cupboards which were previously thought to be locked with the keys out of the public’s reach.

How can revealing acts of impropriety or criminal behaviour by Britain’s elite be a, “dirty deed”? Surely the dirtiness lies with those who have compromised their own position via criminality and dishonesty.
 

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Regarding Cruise missile losses, I wonder what the truth is?
the truth is the Storm Shadow missiles are probably obsolete against Russian air defense systems.
The MOD bought 900+ at average cost 6 millions Euros apiece (including development cost).
 
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the truth is the Storm Shadow missiles are probably obsolete against Russian air defense systems.
The MOD bought 900+ at average cost 6 millions Euros apiece (including development cost).
Just as well that we usually employ them against defenceless and helpless targets when people are in bed then?
A better name than "Storm Shadow" would have been "Cowardly Assassin"
a WNPR "Weapon of No Personal Risk"
 
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Just as well that we usually employ them against defenceless and helpless targets when people are in bed then?
none of the superpowers would dare attacking a country that can defend itself.
The public would wake up and rebel against the influence of their defense industries. That would not be good for the parties coffers.
 

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tillson

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No, we are unlucky that there are enough people silly enough to vote Conservative and foist her onto us.

Regarding Cruise missile losses, I wonder what the truth is?
She wasn’t voted in. She called an election, misjudged the opposition (situation normal), lost her majority and had to buy herself power using taxpayers money.
 
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No OG giving a summary of today’s newspapers? This means that I will need to read them for myself now. :-(
You're getting lazy in your old age! :cool:
Seriously there was nothing particularly of note in them this morning
Except for this in the Daily Fail
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Why Britain played second fiddle to France in Syria strikes: UK has NO ships that can fire cruise missiles and the planes that did entered service 38 years ago and will be retired next year"

perhaps then we can stop the annual "No personal risk Murder a foreigner Season"?

And of coourse this idiot
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DOMINIC LAWSON: Corbyn the Kremlin stooge despises everything our troops stand for"

Once again the audience are not buying it wholesale.
 
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You're getting lazy in your old age! :cool:
Seriously there was nothing particularly of note in them this morning
Except for this in the Daily Fail
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Why Britain played second fiddle to France in Syria strikes: UK has NO ships that can fire cruise missiles and the planes that did entered service 38 years ago and will be retired next year"

perhaps then we can stop the annual "No personal risk Murder a foreigner Season"?

And of coourse this idiot
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DOMINIC LAWSON: Corbyn the Kremlin stooge despises everything our troops stand for"

Once again the audience are not buying it wholesale.
I don't think the Daily Fail's report is news. Didn't everyone know that before they "broke" the story?
 

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As I was reading up about the Skripals and BZ, this comment from DS Bailey, when asked how he was feeling:

People ask me how I am feeling - but there are really no words to explain how I feel right now. Surreal is the word that keeps cropping up - and it really has been completely surreal.
that seems to confirm that he could have been hallucinating (BZ).
 

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From the BBC
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Russia accused of global net hack attacks
State-sponsored Russian hackers are actively seeking to hijack essential internet hardware, US and UK intelligence agencies say.

The UK's National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC), the FBI and the US Department of Homeland Security issued a joint alert warning of a global campaign.

The alert details methods used to take over essential network hardware.

The attacks could be an attempt by Russia to gain a foothold for use in a future offensive, it said.

Basic weakness
In a press conference about the alert, White House cyber-security co-ordinator Rob Joyce said the US and its allies had "high confidence" that Russia was behind the "broad campaign".

Intelligence gathered by the US and UK suggested that millions of machines directing data around the net were being targeted, he said.

I wonder how long it will be before someone tells these people enough is enough?
Never in all my life have I seen such an intensive propaganda campaign as this one.
Not a single word of EVIDENCE as usual
"High Confidence?"
Not as high as mine that we are yet again being lied to!
 
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Irony seems to be a word where the meaning has been lost
On the one hand
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UK launched cyber-attack on Islamic State
The UK has conducted a "major offensive cyber-campaign" against the Islamic State group, the director of the intelligence agency GCHQ has revealed.


The operation hindered the group's ability to co-ordinate attacks and suppressed its propaganda, former MI5 agent Jeremy Fleming said.

It is the first time the UK has systematically degraded an adversary's online efforts in a military campaign.
And woe betide anyone else doing it
Mr Fleming also criticised Russia over what he called "unacceptable cyber-behaviour" that was a "growing threat" to the UK and its allies.


He recalled the NotPetya ransomware attack on Ukraine last year, which eventually spread across the world. The UK and US later said the Russian military were behind the attack, a claim that Moscow denied.

"They're not playing to the same rules," Mr Fleming said. "They're blurring the boundaries between criminal and state activity."

Since we are "The Good Guys" we can make or break the rules?
 

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Another confusion.

Legal and the right thing for Britain. In our national interest.
Or on humanitarian grounds for the protection of those in Syria?

Of course, these are not wholly incompatible. But the justification used swings between them depending on who the target audience is.
 
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Another confusion.

Legal and the right thing for Britain. In our national interest.
Or on humanitarian grounds for the protection of those in Syria?

Of course, these are not wholly incompatible. But the justification used swings between them depending on who the target audience is.
the politicians that pretend acting on humanitarian ground while sending ever more missiles and other munitions into a war torn country and those who support them in parliament are not much more than a bunch of hypocrites.
They don't deserve the benefit of reasonable doubt.
 

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