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I'm truly astonished you can make such a statement. If you compare the statute book now, to how it was 30-40 years ago, the UK is like a police-state, in some ways we have less freedoms than CHINA. 1) We have Political Corrrectness laws removing the most basic of all human rights (the freedom...

Why on earth does the government do anything flecc? How long is a piece of a string? a) Because they feel under pressure from a few sensationalist media headline stories. b Because they feel it's in the public interest. c) Because they see an opportunity to introduce yet another stealth tax or...

Flecc the fact we are one of the most regulated countries in the Western world, should be the reason why, you're sharing some of our concerns here. We do indeed have a long history of heavy government regulation and intervention on marketplaces and society itself. Many freedoms have been taken...

Flecc, with respect, I'm not suggesting we have a major massive problem or the industry is in dire peril of imminent massive government regulation. I'm just saying, regulation is a distinct possibility, because we're not talking about something trivial here. This is a major public safety issue...

Let me just make clear, I'm not anti-1000W bikes or hostile to anyone here who chooses to ride a bike on the road which not fully legal. That's entirely their choice. The marketplace is unregulated and fairly relaxed. The police and government (at the moment) are not showing any signs of...

I take your point flecc and I can see this is ruffling a lot of feathers and causing big friction on the forum. That really suggests to me, we have a problem here. And it's pretty simple the solution. Separate off-road and from road legal, and make a clear separate area for all things off-road...

Absolutely. I quite agree Flud, and I'm astonished I must say at flecc's complacency and seemingly indifference on this issue. I have a great deal of respect for flecc as one the original veterans of this forum, an industry insider, and a very clever chap. On this issue though, I think we're...

Great post David, and this really should, hopefully, serve to underline only the caution and warnings myself and others have given, about the prolific use of illegal e-bikes in public and the obvious indifference or complacency that clearly exists among large sections of this forum community...

Trex there's enough opposition here against the voice of reason and common sense for a cause for concern, I'd say. I suspect there's quite a few new members who are riding illegal bikes, maybe not all 1000W granted, but quite a few think the law can be bent and should be ignored, regardless of...

The health supplements example has not been directly linked to deaths that are satisitically relevant. I've never heard of anyone dying from taking St John's Wort or a multi-vitamin supplement. The point I was making seems to be lost on you anyway.. It's irrelevant why or how those markets...

I have a better idea for dealing with the sellers. There's a range of options there.

Absolutely. They clearly need reminding they're breaking the law and putting themselves and everyone else at risk.

Thanks for your "suggestions" but I'm fine where I'm at thanks. Here's my suggestion: If you don't like the law as it is, why don't you form a political party with your little group and repeal the laws?

That's a good idea but unfortunately I don't know any bikers with headcams. I have a video camera though so could get someone to film a few drive by's.

Let's see how happy he is when some child or elderly person is dead, and he's in prison doing a long stretch.

That disclaimer agreement is so lame and typical of a company run by people with no brains. I can guarantee you it won't be worth the paper its written in a court situation (and may even be used against them) if someone has a serious accident on their bicycles they could legally be in very...

Well I took the side firmly against helmets. I didn't actually tell people they SHOULD stop wearing helmets, but I did say I don't wear one and couldn't see the point in wearing one. I pointed out the conflicting evidence and studies carried out. So in a way, I was saying, do you really need to...

Well it is playing with words really over the definition of rating v power-output. You're correct of course in stating that the correct term would be "power rated" but to all intents and purposes, that is taken to mean, the nominal power output capable under normal riding conditions. Of course...

The performance is irrelevant. The only number that matters is the 1000W one on the motor and the fact its illegal to be on a bicycle on public roads. Whether it goes as fast as a motorcycle or 15.5mph is no excuse if you get caught riding one, especially if you're involved in an accident or...

That doesn't make it right or legal, still knowingly doing something illegal. The only similarity is that you're trying to justify doing two things which are illegal. Simply because you don't agree with the law, or think it shouldn't apply to you? Well you said yourself it's illegal. So you...