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  1. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    even that doesn't mean anything. Yes, "Brexit means Brexit" ie it means 17 million people voted to say they wanted to leave the EU. That's a fact isn't it? It's one of those statements that doesn't mean anything though. Does it mean she'll submit Article 50 notification on Thursday? No...
  2. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'd also suggest that even you will have to admit that any statement from any politician currently can be taken with a very large pinch of salt, and currently seems to actually mean the exact opposite will happen. We all know Brexit means Brexit, what else could it mean, that's a clear fact...
  3. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Honestly Rob, i'd be worried we'd be leaving if anyone who was on the brexit camp was leading anything. The fact they've all run and hidden in their time of "glory" shows that there is no glory to be had. I'd be prepared to bet that May, talks the talk for a bit, and for some reason we end up...
  4. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The problem is that its seen as a problem... the migration itself isn't a problem. Its proven to benefit the economies of the host nations. We need to educate the population about the benefits. If you get people to forget their national borders, they'll think of people from france just like...
  5. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There is no way, that will work. You can't have the single market without the free movement of products, services and labour. Its simply not a point the EU will even debate, why would they?
  6. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    possibly, because no one really thinks Brexit will happen.... possibly ;)
  7. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I actually ended my post with the phrase, because its simply a fact, as pointed out by the people who led and funded the campaign. However I clearly acknowledge the remain campaign had its flaws, which is which is why I have said since day 1 that this shouldn't have been put to a public vote...
  8. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You've jumped to a massive conclusion, and not understood my post. If we'd voted remain, there would as pointed out by the article i quoted also been a good % of people who'd been mislead by the spin of the campaign. This was the problem, the facts were lost, ignored or consider irrelevant.
  9. KTM Bike Industries UK

    If you voted IN then here's a second chance for common sense

    they've taken control of the cockpit, locked the door...... and jumped out!
  10. KTM Bike Industries UK

    If you voted IN then here's a second chance for common sense

    I wish that was true... I'm afraid its not. Most people I know who voted leave privately say its to do with immigration. One even told me yesterday its because she thinks "we're forced to open our doors to too many Syrian's who come he to claim benefits." The fact that we're exempt from the...
  11. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Great day for British Sport-Cycling,F1 and Tennis

    also, have the green and white jerseys. and Danny Hart and Rachel Atherton won the mens and women's World Cup Downhill events this weekend.
  12. KTM Bike Industries UK

    If you voted IN then here's a second chance for common sense

    Yes but only 38% of the electrote voted leave... and if my random sample of leave voters up here are anything like the national picture... 25% of them are now realising they made a mistake, and 100% of the people I know who didn't vote wished they had. So maybe you'll find that all MPs will go...
  13. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Arron Banks, the multimillionaire behind Leave.EU, cheerfully attributed his campaign’s success to the mantra “facts don’t work”. Speaking after his referendum triumph, he said: “The Remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It doesn’t work. You’ve got to connect with people...
  14. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Is buying 500w ebike a good idea to commute through the city?

    You've got to compare an entire ride, not just sections. Yes, on the flat a decent cyclist can easily go at over 20mph and you'll be slower on a heavy eBike. But (and I've done lots of testing on this) even though the top end speed is lower in most circumstances the overall ride time on a...
  15. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Look, I work for a company that imports from the EU (we work with 4 EU companies currently, KTM is just one of them)... it's not BMW, but the issues are the same, and very real. Its going to be harder and more expensive to bring stuff into the UK, for a number of tax, logistic and exchange...
  16. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Couple of points, if we leave the EU (Assuming trade doesn't suffer, we'd actually be the largest EU Customer). https://fullfact.org/europe/where-does-eu-export/ Yes.... that's my other point... we might be a customer of the EU (Tesco)... we still will be, where else are we going to buy our...
  17. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ok, so lets use your Tesco analogy. We're (the UK) is currently one of the parts of Tesco (the EU). So we have access to all of Tesco's customers, and we can trade internally with all the other aisles (countries), all under one friendly roof. What we've elected to do, is set up outside, in...
  18. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    When did we decide that? Some of us voted to leave the EU, the EEC is not the same thing. Again part of the problem with this debate. if we loose free trade, we will loose a LOT more than them, we are not a big market, and we'll suddenly not just be not part of the club, we'll be competing...
  19. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Do you know any country that has access to the EEC, that doesn't accept freedom of movement? There are only 2 options, 1) we accept freedom of movement (in fact it'll probably be more free than now, because Norway and Switzerland have had to agree to the Shengin agreement). Which is...