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  1. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'm not a fan of opinion polls, because just asking 1000 people doesn't prove anything, so I'm afraid that graph doesn't help anyone Trex. However.... I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you think this: you are simply wrong. immigration in this country puts more into the economy...
  2. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I didn't comment on its findings, or predictions because I'm in work, and I've not got time to read it - could well agree with it, I don't know, I've not read it.... I was just pointing out that its possible to find information on the internet to back up any idea, no matter how wacky.
  3. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    a small group of ecomonists, I think it was 8 wasn't it? I'm sure I could find a report that 8 people agree on about anything. This for instance...
  4. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This seems to be a pretty accurate assessment of the current situation: http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/14/everything-you-need-to-know-about-theresa-may-s-brexit oh, and i went for a long ride with my club on Sunday, i was explaining that Shimano and Trek put their prices up last week...
  5. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That, and the fact that are we're primarily an importer, if the € did collapse, we'd suddenly get a load more for our money. Lots of cheap Audi's and Bosch eBikes ;) Our current relationship with the EU... no €, a veto on pretty much everything, exemption to Shengen, and the EU requirement to...
  6. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    nothing is permanent.... so apart from that it makes perfect sense ;)
  7. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So what's your definition of immigration as you know it then?
  8. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I can't think of a good reason to submit it on any day, so you've got me there.
  9. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I've put a bet on us staying in, I'm that confident. I think it'll get bounced around that long that the generation that voted us out will have died ;) The under 50s voted remain, and so did london, do you think any party would go against that sort of power... ie the money and the future...
  10. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    ... because we're not leaving the EU anytime soon, so the panic is starting to subside a bit. Clearly ;)
  11. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Have to say, I agree with this. She can't loose now can she. If they negotiate a deal the UK is happy with, she wins. If they can't, she can blame them, and she'll be rid of possibly the major threat to her long term prospects as PM, so she wins again. Its a big game.
  12. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    no wanting to question your opinion, but how about this for a fact. I've just done a quick google search and almost half the population of Luxemborg is immigrant! http://www.wort.lu/en/luxembourg/migration-by-numbers-luxembourg-s-foreign-population-rises-to-46-5524f98f0c88b46a8ce5702b In the...
  13. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Why not go into details?? Something to hide? But we'll ignore that. So if you're exporting around Europe, you'll know the benefits that are found within the trading block. Ie no tariffs, cheaper logistics etc etc. So as I see it, if we leave the EU, and as you also want leave the EEA...
  14. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ok, so put it the other way round (because I have to agree, everyone of the hundreds of people I've spoken to about this who voted leave did so - because we're full etc etc) if you think most people weren't interested in migration, what are you basing your opinion on?
  15. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Brendan, before I reply to a couple of your posts about the impact of brexit, can I just ask what your experience is, as I don't want to come across as patronising. So what do you / have you done that is relevant to this discussion?
  16. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ok, then RobF... what odds are you offering? I'd be prepared to bet that we'll still be in the EU in 2020. Wanna take the bet :)
  17. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    True, and we just have to see which way she sticks that nose ;) take us out, and loose the next general election because we'll be in recession and Labour will be a lot stronger by then... or keep us in, and have 2 years to hope that the tory voters forgive her for forgetting about the...
  18. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    warming up for a U-Turn...who'd have thought it ;) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-eu-referendum-petition-latest-news-debate-parliament-mps-uk-position-in-europe-a7132836.html
  19. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Having family from Wallasey, I think I'm qualified to say this ;) It was a window... in Wallasey... chances are its smashed 3 times a year anyway, this recent one was just a coincidence.
  20. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ok, so lets take it that "Brexit" is the vote by the UK to leave the UK... agreed. So she's said... we're going to make a success of it. That doesn't mean anything. It means this has happened and we're going to try to make the best of it, that's all. it doesn't mean we'll leave the EU, it...