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Philips, Starmer and others may not be deserving of prison, as the apopleptic South African billionaire demands, but they do carry responsibility for it. They ignored, diminished and thereby allowed it to continue.
that's not fair. Baroness Jay's public enquiry into child sex exploitation cost us £200 millions so the charge that we didn't want to know is false. The gangs in Rotherham and Oldham got jailed. Years ago, one of my clients was a law firm working on part of the Yewtree operation, just the Essex part. We talked about it a bit and it was taken very seriously then. It's not that straightforward to just excise it. I also worked for the pupil referral service and special need schools where kids got terrible parents who spend their child benefits on drugs and booze.
The point is the problem is deep seated in society, across the whole country, not just those parts where Muslims live in large numbers or just affecting the poorer citizens.
 
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The Attention Deficit Disordered American Oligarch has UK Government in his sights, but loathesome as he is, he is not wrong in believing that the British establishment is only too keen to hide away from what probably half the British public know very well - that we have a serious problem with some of our culturally enriching, new residents, who see poor white girls as 'easy meat', to use the words of one convicted abuser.


The political class, especially those of a left wing perspective, are only too keen to hide away from the reality of perverted Pakistani ideology that sees women as filth, especially if they are white.

The ethnic / cultural connection though inescapable, must not be mentioned, and further, must be suppresed, and those who point it out, are to be disgraced, and slurred as racists.

Philips, Starmer and others may not be deserving of prison, as the apopleptic South African demands, but they certainly carry some responsibility for its continuance. They ignored, diminished and thus allowed it to continue.

The named individuals are not alone. There are probably by now hundreds of public servants who are tainted by innaction, and even deliberate cover up.

Shame on all of them. Had these foul practices been carried out by white working class gangs, the same officials would have been all over them like Monkey Pox.
I found this interesting - Oral evidence from Nazir Afzal to the House of Commons Home Affairs committee

 
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The political class, especially those of a left wing perspective, are only too keen to hide away from the reality of perverted Pakistani ideology that sees women as filth, especially if they are white.
Of the sex abuse cases, 2% are of Pakistani origin, 83% are of white British origin.

So if you believe that Pakistani origin is a perverted ideology, what then is your opinion of the 83% ?
And why arent you highlighting that fact ?
The ethnic / cultural connection though inescapable, must not be mentioned, and further, must be suppresed, and those who point it out, are to be disgraced, and slurred as racists.
So given 83% are ethnically white British, but the concentration is on Pakistani origin, completely ignoring the actual facts and statistics, then you are 100% correct and it is based wholly on racism.
 
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we know. Prisons are full.
A hundred thousand cases of rapes pending decision to prosecute.
What would you prioritise?
 

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Of the sex abuse cases, 2% are of Pakistani origin, 83% are of white British origin.

So if you believe that Pakistani origin is a perverted ideology, what then is your opinion of the 83% ?
And why arent you highlighting that fact ?


So given 83% are ethnically white British, but the concentration is on Pakistani origin, completely ignoring the actual facts and statistics, then you are 100% correct and it is based wholly on racism.
Classic lefty bo llox.

By conflating the issues of these horrible egregious offences and all sexiual offences, Andbike hides teh reality that most of the sexual offences are by comparison much less serious than these horrific ones.

British Pakistanis are a minority group. The white British population is by far the majority and anyone with an OUNCE of decency and information KNOWS that the vast vast majority of these particularly horrible full contact, multiple rape and organised prostitution crimes against often kidnapped children, are committed by THEM.

Pakistanis are 2.7 % of the working age population. White British are 78% of the working age population.

In terms of the crime we are talking about - the rape of under aged girls by organised grooming gangs, the Pakistani and other muslim connection is huge.

Government figures hide the reality first of all for a long time, by not collecting ethnicity, and secondly by confusing the actual ethnic origin, categorising offenders as 'Asian'. There are not that many Chinese involved (none) or Sikhs, or Hindus for that matter. The offender are predominantly Pakistani, British Pakistanis, and Afghans ,with a tiny number of North Africans. This is a cultural blight rather than one of colour.

I am not in the least surprised at this cobblers about white men being the largest offender group. I KNEW it would be trotted out - I expected Flecc to be the one, but he only approved Andybike's remarks. Everything in the multi cultural garden is smelling or roses - in spite of the jails being filled with Pakistani men in vastly disproportionate numbers.

Every sexual offence is an outrage - no matter who committed it, but this class of offences in which young women report having been held drugged and drunk in houses and raped by countless men is VASTLY worse than the commonest offence of the white British (grotesque anyway) of downloading lewd images of young girls.

In Rochdale one in 280 of Pakistani males in the town was sentenced for this organised abuse type of offence. In Telford it was one in 126 of the Pakistani males in the town and Rotherham, it was 1 in 73. There are far more offenders who were never and will never be prosecuted because they were unknown to the victims

Their victims are in the several thousands, and Andy Bike seeks to diminish the obvious fact that a particular group is vastly predominating in its commission.

No surprise there then. The left will always try to hide the reality because they have to believe in the wonderful rainbow vision of the new Britain.

WATCH THESE VIDEOS.

WATCH THEM

WATCH THEM

And take note of the numbers and the gruesome details and take note who is committing them and who is trying to sweep the horror under the carpet.




A friend of mine who worked at a girls high school in Newcastle tells me that gangs of young Pakistani men in taxis and cars were outside that girl's school every evening, attempting to lure young girls . Four or five cars full of men aged about 18 to 25, cat calling, and bantering with young white school girls every night. "Hello beautiful! Fancy a lift in my car?"

When challenged they claimed they were waiting for a sister or cousin. They were not. They were trying to get them to accept lifts home.

This was around 2004. They were there every evening. The police on being contacted said they could do nothing. In Newcastle by 2017, it was reported that 112 offenders had been handed jail terms totalling nearly 500 years for abusing more than 270 victims.

Those who try to disguise the reality of this kind of monstrous offence engage in a shameful cover up themselves.
 
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I found this interesting - Oral evidence from Nazir Afzal to the House of Commons Home Affairs committee

"Nazir Afzal: This activity is going on and continues to go on. Bizarrely, I was driving through a certain part of the north of England and I could see it with my own eyes. I am no policeman-

Q205 Chair: You could see what with your own eyes?

Nazir Afzal: I could see grown men with young girls who clearly were not their daughters in a situation or a particular situation that caused me concern, and I actually did something with that information. The point is, I think there is a responsibility on all of us. When I first went to Rochdale, which was bizarrely after these convictions, people were saying, "Nazir, do you want a team of whistleblowers?" No, I want the members of the community, as they are now doing, providing information, providing intelligence, which enables the police to build strong cases, which enables us to build strong cases. I think that there is a lot of good, bizarrely, that has come out of perhaps the poor performance there was initially in Rochdale across all agencies. That good is something we want to ensure that everybody has."
 

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I am not in the least surprised at this cobblers about white men being the largest offender group. I KNEW it would be trotted out - I expected Flecc to be the one, but he only approved Andybike's remarks.
Why expect me, I've never posted on this subject?

I certainly didn't Approve, I Agreed, since Andybike was factually correct and that is important too.

I would never approve what has clearly been going on over many years and am pleased that action is at last being taken, as our overflowing prisons indicate.
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Why expect me, I've never posted on this subject?

I certainly didn't Approve, I Agreed, since Andybike was factually correct and that is important too.

I would never approve what has clearly been going on over many years and am pleased that action is at last being taken, as our overflowing prisons indicate.
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But it is not right to mix up these most grotesque offences with much less grievous ones (albeit that none of them are excusable).

It isn't right to suggest that these most horrible of offences are like the common-or-garden flashers and toucher uppers, or commonest of all offences - sick minded men looking at pictures of naked and half naked fifteen year old girls - this by far the most common sexual offence. They are not the same.

To suggest that most sexual offences are committed by white men and not the 2.7% of Pakistanis in the population when THIS offence is very clearly a feature of this particular Muslim culture is a massive distortion.

But here Flecc, I say this to you -

Where are the prosecutions for this offence in London? I am not aware of any and yet you have a very large group of this ethnicity in London.

If in Newcastle, a city of 275000 with about ten percent ethnic minority population, the police - rather late in the day uncovered and prosecuted 112 offenders for raping more than 270 victims, where are the prosecutions in London.

It is laughable to suggest that the Kebab shop workers, and mini cab drivers and curry house men in London are not doing exactly the same thing as happened in Telford and Oxford and everywhere else.


I just don't believe it isn't happening in London - a city of massive size with by far the most diverse population in the UK, when it has been found and prosecuted all over the country in the last ten years.

I suspect it has just been swept under the carpet for reasons of not upsetting social cohesion, or the Met being accused again of racism.
 
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One of the factors that caused problems was the prosecutor had a number of tests that they used in grooming cases to determine the credibility of the victim as a witness

1) when the person came forward,
2) whether they have been consistent,
3) whether they have given one account and not deviated from it,
4) whether there is other supporting evidence,
5) whether they have gone back to the perpetrator, etc.
6) whether they were heavy users of drink and drugs.

When you applied these tests to grooming gang victims they would inevitably fail many of these tests, so the DPP would conclude they did not have a realistic chance if a successful prosecution.

One of the things Starmer / Afzal did was to challenge the decision making from start to finish,resulting in the reversing the decisions that had been made not to prosecute and these cases were then successfully prosecuted.
 

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But here Flecc, I say this to you -

Where are the prosecutions for this offence in London? I am not aware of any and yet you have a very large group of this ethnicity in London.

I just don;t believe it isn't happening there when it has been found and prosecuted all over the country in the last ten years.

I suspect it has just been swept under the carpet for reasons of not upsetting social cohesion.
It isn't happening here in London simply because our very much better racial integration makes it impossible to flourish in the way it has in the North in particular. Here it would be too glaringly obvious within the well integrated community.

Of course you won't accept that and will prefer to believe what you've decided on no evidence whatsoever, just as you preferred to believe I would be the first to approve what Andybike posted, again on no evidence whatsoever.
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One of the factors that caused problems was the prosecutor had a number of tests that they used in grooming cases to determine the credibility of the victim as a witness

1) when the person came forward,
2) whether they have been consistent,
3) whether they have given one account and not deviated from it,
4) whether there is other supporting evidence,
5) whether they have gone back to the perpetrator, etc.
6) whether they were heavy users of drink and drugs.

When you applied these tests to grooming gang victims they would inevitably fail many of these tests, so the DPP would conclude they did not have a realistic chance if a successful prosecution.

One of the things Starmer / Afzal did was to challenge the decision making from start to finish,resulting in the reversing the decisions that had been made not to prosecute and these cases were then successfully prosecuted.
Yes - I saw that. Afzal has been good on this. So was Anne Cryer a Labour MP who was ostracised after bringing this matter to the fore.
 

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It isn't happening here in London simply because our very much better racial integration makes it impossible to flourish in the way it has in the North in particular. Here it would be too glaringly obvious within the well integrated community.

Of course you won't accept that and will prefer to believe what you've decided on no evidence whatsoever, just as you preferred to believe I would be the first to approve what Andybike posted, again on no evidence whatsoever.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - Delusional.....

Head in the sand so deep I am surprised you haven't choked.

THAT is why I KNEW you would be on the wrong side.
 
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - Delusional.....

Head in the sand so deep I am surprised you haven't choked.

THAT is why I KNEW you would be on the wrong side.
the Daily Mail, Suella Braveman made the story bigger than what it was. The gangs were jailed for their crimes. Nowadays, such grooming would be tackled pretty quickly by the local authorities.

Of the more than 115,000 sexual offences against children reported in the UK in 2023, as many as 4,228 (3.7 per cent) were group-based crimes, according to data released by the police. Twenty-six per cent of these crimes took place within families, while 17 per cent involved groups, including grooming gangs. Schools, religious places, community centres, and other such institutions accounted for nine per cent of the group-based crimes.
A task force set up to address grooming gangs in April 2023 by then prime minister Rishi Sunak arrested over 550 suspects in its first year of operation.
The Oldham case, which has generated fierce debate this week, refers to social media concerns between 2011 and 2014 regarding the sexual exploitation of children and its alleged cover-up by the town council. An independent report released in 2022, however, stated it found “no evidence” of such a cover-up or widespread sexual abuse at local shisha establishments or by taxi drivers. The report did point out that local authorities had failed to protect some children from grooming and exploitation. There have been growing calls from the public to expand the scope of the inquiry into the Oldham cases.

In 2024, an independent review commissioned by Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham found rampant grooming and exploitation of young girls in Rochdale. It also highlighted the failure of authorities to properly investigate these cases between 2004 and 2013. Nine perpetrators were convicted, of which eight were British-Pakistani men. The report found that young girls were drugged and raped above takeaway shops and transported via taxis in exchange for cash.
 

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It isn't happening here in London simply because our very much better racial integration makes it impossible to flourish in the way it has in the North in particular. Here it would be too glaringly obvious within the well integrated community.

Of course you won't accept that and will prefer to believe what you've decided on no evidence whatsoever, just as you preferred to believe I would be the first to approve what Andybike posted, again on no evidence whatsoever.
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It isn't the North in Particular Flecc. It is EVERYWHERE that has a sizeable Pakistani population from Oxford to Telford to Aylesbury, to Peterborough to Telford, to anywhere..... None of those places are 'in the north' as far as I am concerned.

You seem to think multicultural London is a Shangri-La, or the Garden of Eden. Open your eyes.
 

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the Daily Mail, Suella Braveman made the story bigger than what it was. The gangs were jailed for their crimes. Nowadays, such grooming would be tackled pretty quickly by the local authorities.
It hasn't been dealt with if dealt with means 'catching all the perpetrators'.

In several cases the evidence shows there were many more perpetrators and only the identifiable ones could be prosecuted. Some of those girls say that they were raped continually all day long and claimed they had been raped thousands of times.
 

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It hasn't been dealt with if dealt with means 'catching all the perpetrators'.

In several cases the evidence shows there were many more perpetrators and only the identifiable ones could be prosecuted. Some of those girls say that they were raped continually all day long and claimed they had been raped thousands of times.
Presumably the perpetrators have been jailed. Those cases went back to 2014. Plenty of time for Suella braveman to sort them out. She is the one to bring the subject to front line politics, well before Musk waded in.
 

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Presumably the perpetrators have been jailed. Those cases went back to 2014. Plenty of time for Suella braveman to sort them out. She is the one to bring the subject to front line politics, well before Musk waded in.
NO!

Only a few of the identifiable ones could be prosecuted.

I'm not sure you have grasped the scale of the problem.

The Rotherham child abuse scandal saw at least 1,400 girls sexually exploited in the South Yorkshire town. This was not 1400 rapes. These girls were raped on a massive scale by large numbers of offenders. One girl said she was raped over a thousand times.

In Newcastle 112 offenders were convicted of abusing 270 victims between 2010 and 2014, but it was much bigger than that and going on from at least 2004 that I know of. The Independent says that the Newcastle gangs abused over 700 women.

In Telford the enquiry tells of over a thousand women being abused.


How bad does it have to be for it NOT to be shrugged off?
 
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they put tommy Robinson in prison for showing the doc he made and said it would blow up in there face and it did pmsl :p