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Ghost1951

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I used to be a lefty.

I went about shaking tins collecting for people in floods and climate disasters in the early 1970s. I believed all the nonsense we still see in the Guardian, until I realised what a load of old self loathing tosh it was and is.

But eventually, unless you are stupid, you realise the reality - the cradle to grave, socialist comfort blanket, a) can not be afforded without continually filling up the country with new contributors to the giant ponzie scheme of growth, and b) it only encourages the unambitious to become lazy parasites.

Why do you think we have millions of working age people on benefits?

Why has the number grown in an exponential fashion? Even Labour are noticing it.

There are millions of working age people lying on couches all day long, and all they need to do to get a basic income and have their bills paid is to say they are depressed. We see it here - someone shouting and howling about how he doesn't get enough free money and how the council doesn't fix his house up and how now he inherited some money, the wicked government might stop giving him so much for nothing.

WTFK????

How?

How did we allow this???

This country is sunk - sunk by the welfare state and the constant need for more and more and more migrants to come and pay something into the coffers.

Even the Conservatives joined the conspiracy. Sunac brought more people into this country than we ever saw before, to do generally low level jobs, in spite of the fact that the ever growing population and never growing housing supply is driving up house prices and rents at rates that can not be afforded. Then the b as tards turn on older people who bought a house fifty years ago and tell them to move out of it to a non existent one bedroom flat and liberate the three bed semi for an African family. Fk that! what is mine is mine. I paid for all of it and you'll take it out of my cold dead hand and then you can fight my three sons for it, and let me tell you - you don't want to mess with them -especially not the eighteen stone boxer one.
 

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This is the grave stone of William Lord Beveridge, architect of the Welfare State.

He is buried not that far from where I live in Northumberland on a rather bleak hillside where there is an isolated church at Thockrington.

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I found this grave a few years ago purely by chance while exploring remote spots on foot.

Beveridge wrote the famous Beveridge Report which became the foundation of the Welfare State. His vision was to battle against what he called the five giants; idleness, ignorance, disease, squalor and want. It began the National Health Service and provided income support when people lost their jobs.

But it was not and never should have been what we have now. It was a contributory system. You only could take out when you had paid in, and help was time limited and it was not at all lavish in what it handed out. The title of the report was 'Social Insurance and Allied Services'. Like all insurance, you only got it if you paid in.

You could not just wash up on the shores of this island and get money and a house. You could not be born here, never work and claim income support. You could not sign up on becoming unemployed and claim a life long stipend and have your rent paid. You got a hand up and after a while - a short while, you had to stand on your own feet again, or the money stopped.

Not anymore. We - particularly Labour, but also the rest, have gradually slithered the contributory fundamental out of existence. More and more working age people have opted out and chosen to live off the taxes taken from the rest of us. The left continually pushes the idea that the taxes come from the undeserving super rich, but in reality they come from hard working people too - millions of them.

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This country is sunk - sunk by the welfare state and the constant need for more and more and more migrants to come and pay something into the coffers.
"Democracy Is the Worst Form of Government Except For All Others Which Have Been Tried".

Actually, I blame modern medecine for that. People live too long.
 
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Ten percent of public spending in 2023/24, £116 Bn was debt interest!!

If we hadn't shoved so much under the couches of people lying about all day with depression, w could have spent that money on something better.
 

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"Democracy Is the Worst Form of Government Except For All Others Which Have Been Tried".

Actually, I blame modern medecine for that. People live too long.
I actually don't think that is the issue Tony. Some people live too long in a terrible state. Some old people need a lot of medical help, but there are many who need nothing much at all. Quite a lot of ill-health can be avoided by avoiding pretty obvious situations in lifestyle.

We have 6.3 million, working age people on Universal credit.

How did that happen?

I know of a household where there are three of them. A mother aged 61, her son who is 31, and her other son who is 25. There is nothing wrong with any of them, save perhaps the mother who is so fat she has diabetes.


"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. "

Alexander Tytler, Scottish advocate judge 18th Century
 
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You ought to add to that 4 tonnes all the imported goods, flights, holidays abroad etc. As townies, the vast majority of us don't do anywhere near enough to offset our carbon footprint.
And 86% of our British population are Townies, living in cities and towns.
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"Democracy Is the Worst Form of Government Except For All Others Which Have Been Tried".

Actually, I blame modern medecine for that. People live too long.
Agreed, and I am just one good example, despite a healthy life style. I was on the verge of dying 18 years ago, and finding it entirely acceptable at just over 70 years of age. Dying then from my inherited heart problem would have been an advantage for me in many ways over the remaining years and would certainly benefitted our country, since almost all of my engagement with the NHS has been during the extra 18 years since.

That includes five operations and now entering the waiting list for a sixth one, this time a hernia more complex than the inguinal one suffered 13 years ago.
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How stupid is that thesis - that the government can invent as much debt as it likes and nothing bad will happen.....???

Have you heard what happened when Liz Truss and Kalamity Karteng came up with a budget which cut taxes and increased borrowing?

The first thing that happened was that the pound fell off a cliff and anything we wanted to buy from abroad like gas and oil fuels or Chinese imports, jumped right up in price. This stupidity from Truss gave the next election to Labour as you ought to know.

The second thing that happened was that the interest rate on borrowings from foreign sources shot up in the opposite way to the pound and made interest rates rise to painful levels. All the home buyers were howling. Did you not hear it?

The third thing that happened was that inflation kicked upwards as it always does in any society where the government creates too much money, devaluing the currency in the process. T

Inflation in pre war Germany


Inflation in Venezuela

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Inflation in Zimbabwe



All of the above was caused by stupid politicians acting on the thesis that that clown presented in your stupid video. In the three cases of hyper inflation referenced above, in every case the result was a devastated economy, vast suffering and ruination.
 
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What the 2.5 million of them that are working more than the the minimum number of hours to qualify for AET ?
In teh world I was brought up in, it was made VERY clear that it was every man and woman's duty to earn their own living and run their lives in such a way that they were self financing.

Why is it anyone else's job to pay for people to have more children than they can support? The very idea is insane. It opens the opportunity for the feckless to have children and expect others to pay the bill.

Instead of giving low earners government money (the money taken from ordinary people who work full time) the low earners need to look for a better job, or work two jobs. THAT is what people who are not parasites do.

I remember a nice woman who did cleaning where I worked. She was on her own as her feckless husband had bug gered off and left her with three kids. She did three cleaning jobs to pay her way - fully self sufficient.

THAT is the way we should be, but as I referenced above, venal politicans have bought votes and fallen for the, 'Vote yourselves free money,' poison:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. "

Alexander Tytler, Scottish advocate judge 18th Century
 

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In teh world I was brought up in, it was made VERY clear that it was every man and woman's duty to earn their own living and run their lives in such a way that they were self financing.

Why is it anyone else's job to pay for people to have more children than they can support? The very idea is insane. It opens the opportunity for the feckless to have children and expect others to pay the bill.

Instead of giving low earners government money (the money taken from ordinary people who work full time) the low earners need to look for a better job, or work two jobs. THAT is what people who are not parasites do.

I remember a nice woman who did cleaning where I worked. She was on her own as her feckless husband had bug gered off and left her with three kids. She did three cleaning jobs to pay her way - fully self sufficient.

THAT is the way we should be, but as I referenced above, venal politicans have bought votes and fallen for the, 'Vote yourselves free money,' poison:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. "

Alexander Tytler, Scottish advocate judge 18th Century
I see it rather differently, employers are relying on the government to "top up" uneconomic wages
 
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What is absurd about the concept of strivers and shirkers?

It is a fact. There are people who work in whatever way and support themselves and there are people who just suck the blood out of society.

Fact.

This guy is not only a clown, he is an absolute Corbynite lunatic. Love the way he disparages people who live off investment income. Why not? It is their money? I expect they pay their taxes like everyone else who is not a crimial parasite.

If they are into tax fraud, lock them in a cage like all the other criminals.
 

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I see it rather differently, employers are relying on the government to "top up" uneconomic wages
They can only do that because stupid government has enabled that.

If government did not subsidise low wages, the poor payers could not attract labour to work the jobs could they. Then they would have to pay a market wage.

Another thing government does to encourage low wages is to have a de facto open border with Europe. All you need do to land here and be funded by government is to wash up on a beach on the Kent coast. Then you can get an illegal e-bike and work for Deliveroo and a dozen other scam companies for low wages.

Pretty soon you will be working for Amazon or one of the very many other terrible payers. Givernment actively conspires to keep wages low by continually importing labour. When the unskilled UK population stop working for personal care companies with terrible working conditions, what did Sunac do? He issued 100,000 visas to care workers and also another 80,000 dependant's visas.

Rather than fix the low wages, they connive at perpetuating it.

I wonder if anyone thought about where the houses would come from for all these people and what their entry into the rental and home owner markets would do to prices.

I did O'level economics in the mid 1960s... All these problems are obvious to anyone who read that textbook, 'Introduction To Economics' by a man called Abbot. First lesson - supply and demand.