ive now found thats already been answered on another thread mate. one where nobody is trolling the reps
Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?
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ive now found thats already been answered on another thread mate. one where nobody is trolling the reps
You have just joined 51 minutes ago and instead of introducing yourself, you jumped straight into calling regular posters trolls and tongsheng fan boys. The last time the word fanboys was used on the forum was also in this thread by a guy who gave to7 10 out if 10. Strange coincidence. Perhaps this thread should be locked.
woosh why cant you sell this mid drive with a 96v batt and controller as a kit ?
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i only ride my bike off road mostly on the pavement pissed i got halo armor tho
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i only ride my bike off road mostly on the pavement pissed i got halo armor tho
For the guys that are actually here out of interest ive got this picture off another thread and some other info
Improvements as far as i can work out are improved max cadence 120+
There are pictures of the stator and its directly in the housing no air gap. Should deal with the heat problem
The gap between the motor and bottom bracket is bigger, picture shows maybe improved mounting in some cases
Chainring is a standard bcd and allows standard chainrings (not sure on chainline)
motor speed is now 6000rpm but not sure what this means till the ratio has 100% been confirmed
hopefully the reps come back on and people are actually nice to them for making the effort because you don't see it anywhere else, really bloody keen for this motor especially after seeing the way the stator is fitted
Improvements as far as i can work out are improved max cadence 120+
There are pictures of the stator and its directly in the housing no air gap. Should deal with the heat problem
The gap between the motor and bottom bracket is bigger, picture shows maybe improved mounting in some cases
Chainring is a standard bcd and allows standard chainrings (not sure on chainline)
motor speed is now 6000rpm but not sure what this means till the ratio has 100% been confirmed
hopefully the reps come back on and people are actually nice to them for making the effort because you don't see it anywhere else, really bloody keen for this motor especially after seeing the way the stator is fitted
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not cheap tho but a more powerful controller will be out later this year but will be bigger like bbshd
That picture shows the brake cable runs above the motor instead of under the bottom bracket. An issue still not fixed. As for no air gap between the motor and the case, we need to see a picture of the innards. As at present, it looks like a copy.
I would think that they probably know well what's in their best interests to answer or not and there is a high likelihood that they still have a lot of information they want to protect given it seems like some of these motors got into the wild before Toseven were ready for a full launch.
Also we know what china are like.... If they are a start up they wont want others getting the jump on them Thats what makes sense to me anyway
No wonder they stopped replying to you mate you are still flogging that one, you will be telling me the tsdz2b was a copy next. how does a design engineer copy his own work? you have still never answered the man despite your inflated, entitled, insinuating questioning,
If Picasso painted two commissions you would be claiming one of them was a copy mate you cant wrap your head around it can you. Anyone in any trade who's spent years perfecting a design is going to take the best parts of that design over. there are only so many ways something like that can be done in that space, do you want toseven to make it look different to keep you happy? if you open the cyc all the same principles will be at play
There's a picture of the stator in a machined housing. , Is that enough for it not to be a copy for you mate? At what point does it not become a copy to you?. as with the discussion early on and then your admission that you are not an engineer just a bike technician, patent law or mechanical engineering doesn't seem to be your forte
everything with you is loaded negatively against Toseven it seems, you are not willing to accept that any improvements have been made, and at present it doesn't look like you are qualified to know the difference between what is and isn't a copy
Where is your bias coming from are you a tongsheng fanboy or have you got skin in the game?
there is no ip in china they rob everything and claim they made it.
https://www.tfsafari.com/collections/new-update/products/incoming-go-better-studio-gx-50-gx50-uptrade-kit-for-legacy-evolution-comic-verse-tarn-upgrade-kit-gap-fillers?variant=45078417047853
that's no fkn autobot lol
https://www.tfsafari.com/collections/new-update/products/incoming-go-better-studio-gx-50-gx50-uptrade-kit-for-legacy-evolution-comic-verse-tarn-upgrade-kit-gap-fillers?variant=45078417047853
that's no fkn autobot lol
The story going round here and other threads is that the head design engineer left and started toseven, i don't know enough to know that's true but it seems plausible and if its true then its not a copy its a evolution, Logic dictates you cannot copy your own work, only someone else can copy you,
as above if Picasso had painted two pictures one isnt a copy, Its possible for one to be called a reproduction but not if hes made significant changes or efforts to improve it, then its not a reproduction either , seems like this is what this engineer has a history of doing when he was at tongsheng, Now hes doing it for himself we have bike technicians in England deciding he's a rip off merchant and not entitled to a claim over his own work or even to continue to use or improve on use his previous learning.
This exact same thing happens all the time in all aspects of engineering its just in the westernised countries we give more importance to styling and form, where as in china we have been placing so much demand on them to make everything as cheap as possible for us they have got used to letting style take a backseat over function
Anyway if you look at the picture its clearly not a carbon copy as its the wrong way round from the tongsheng for a start, old smart arse technician seems to have missed that
I just read this:
I hope Alex reads this post. It made me cringe. It sounds like it was written by a student, who had never seen an ebike before, had visited a few electric bike shops then wrote that article based on what the salesmen told him. Though short, it has just about every paradigm of the uninformed that we see on ebike forums from time to time.
If you have any responsibility for that, Alex, message me, and I'll sort it out for you.
I hope Alex reads this post. It made me cringe. It sounds like it was written by a student, who had never seen an ebike before, had visited a few electric bike shops then wrote that article based on what the salesmen told him. Though short, it has just about every paradigm of the uninformed that we see on ebike forums from time to time.
If you have any responsibility for that, Alex, message me, and I'll sort it out for you.
Can you give a link please? I've seen your picture that does seem to show a bigger clearance than other motors, but the drawings I've seen seem to show an obstruction half-way down. I just want to know what the actual clearance is. I haven't seen any other threads, so a link would help.
Id respectfully ask that people keep in mind that often information is written by people whos first language is not English and they have tried really hard.
Id be surprised if anyone on here is capable of Chinese at anything approaching that level. So i see no need disparaging public comments.
While i welcome constructive feedback i ask you keep in mind the sensitivities around such a topic. This is an example of something that could have been broached in a much more polite way.
Thanks
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Good to see you back on here mate, though i don't know why you bother to reply to comments like that, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck. don't keep falling for it
Can i PM you some questions there's something's i would really love to know about the controller and programming , also where i can buy one in OZ .. Genuine interest here
Toseven should hire sales people with actual sales training. This is like trying to get straight answers from a used Subaru dealer.
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I suspect a certain user is creating new user accounts to comment in his favour, but despite such daft and obvious antics, I don't think this thread being locked would help potential motor buyers.
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He said "Please". How was that impolite? He also offered to help you. @saneagle is a very enthusiastic and knowledgeable repairer, buyer and user, but as far as I know he doesn't buy motors in volume like @Woosh. There are other bulk buyers who read and use this forum, who haven't commented. Any salesperson would be wise to answer their questions.
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which picture are you taking about? Is it this one?
You and Alex keep calling this part 'the stator in a machined housing'.
Are you two connected because you both make the same mistake?
It's not a stator. This part rotates, that's why it has a ballbearing attached to it, and is called the rotor. The stator is the fixed part that has a copper wire and generates the magnetic field. This type of motors is called inrunner because the rotor is inside the stator.
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The problem of that blogpost is not the command of the English language but the banality and lack of knowledge and or naivety of the writer. You can judge it for yourself, here is the main text:
https://to7motor.com/mid-drive-motor-vs-hub-motor/
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