Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

oztrikes

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I'm a total noob to this forum and ebikes. Been following this thread with interest as will soon be attempting my first build. I started reading with enthusiasm but have been gradually ground down with negativity and total lack of answers....
Why not just answer some of the simple questions that have been asked ?
One of mine would be is there more clearance underneath so I wont have to re-route all my cables ? This has been asked before but totally ignored...... How about a fitting video, surely this is the first thing you would produce ? ??

ive now found thats already been answered on another thread mate. one where nobody is trolling the reps
 
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You have just joined 51 minutes ago and instead of introducing yourself, you jumped straight into calling regular posters trolls and tongsheng fan boys. The last time the word fanboys was used on the forum was also in this thread by a guy who gave to7 10 out if 10. Strange coincidence. Perhaps this thread should be locked.
 
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just get a uart bbshd it will kick its ass :p
 

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woosh why cant you sell this mid drive with a 96v batt and controller as a kit ?


i only ride my bike off road mostly on the pavement pissed i got halo armor tho :p
 
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oztrikes

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For the guys that are actually here out of interest ive got this picture off another thread and some other info

Improvements as far as i can work out are improved max cadence 120+
There are pictures of the stator and its directly in the housing no air gap. Should deal with the heat problem
The gap between the motor and bottom bracket is bigger, picture shows maybe improved mounting in some cases
Chainring is a standard bcd and allows standard chainrings (not sure on chainline)
motor speed is now 6000rpm but not sure what this means till the ratio has 100% been confirmed

hopefully the reps come back on and people are actually nice to them for making the effort because you don't see it anywhere else, really bloody keen for this motor especially after seeing the way the stator is fitted
 

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For the guys that are actually here out of interest ive got this picture off another thread and some other info

Improvements as far as i can work out are improved max cadence 120+
There are pictures of the stator and its directly in the housing no air gap. Should deal with the heat problem
The gap between the motor and bottom bracket is bigger, picture shows maybe improved mounting in some cases
Chainring is a standard bcd and allows standard chainrings (not sure on chainline)
motor speed is now 6000rpm but not sure what this means till the ratio has 100% been confirmed

hopefully the reps come back on and people are actually nice to them for making the effort because you don't see it anywhere else, really bloody keen for this motor especially after seeing the way the stator is fitted

not cheap tho but a more powerful controller will be out later this year but will be bigger like bbshd
 

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For the guys that are actually here out of interest ive got this picture off another thread and some other info

Improvements as far as i can work out are improved max cadence 120+
There are pictures of the stator and its directly in the housing no air gap. Should deal with the heat problem
The gap between the motor and bottom bracket is bigger, picture shows maybe improved mounting in some cases
Chainring is a standard bcd and allows standard chainrings (not sure on chainline)
motor speed is now 6000rpm but not sure what this means till the ratio has 100% been confirmed

hopefully the reps come back on and people are actually nice to them for making the effort because you don't see it anywhere else, really bloody keen for this motor especially after seeing the way the stator is fitted
That picture shows the brake cable runs above the motor instead of under the bottom bracket. An issue still not fixed. As for no air gap between the motor and the case, we need to see a picture of the innards. As at present, it looks like a copy.
 

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For the guys that are actually here out of interest ive got this picture off another thread and some other info

Improvements as far as i can work out are improved max cadence 120+
There are pictures of the stator and its directly in the housing no air gap. Should deal with the heat problem
The gap between the motor and bottom bracket is bigger, picture shows maybe improved mounting in some cases
Chainring is a standard bcd and allows standard chainrings (not sure on chainline)
motor speed is now 6000rpm but not sure what this means till the ratio has 100% been confirmed

hopefully the reps come back on and people are actually nice to them for making the effort because you don't see it anywhere else, really bloody keen for this motor especially after seeing the way the stator is fitted
is this your motor ? where did you see this ?
 

oztrikes

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I've read the entire thread from start to end. Reasonable questions have been asked. I don't see how it isn't in your best interests to answer them.
I would think that they probably know well what's in their best interests to answer or not and there is a high likelihood that they still have a lot of information they want to protect given it seems like some of these motors got into the wild before Toseven were ready for a full launch.
Also we know what china are like.... If they are a start up they wont want others getting the jump on them Thats what makes sense to me anyway
 
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That picture shows the brake cable runs above the motor instead of under the bottom bracket. An issue still not fixed. As for no air gap between the motor and the case, we need to see a picture of the innards. As at present, it looks like a copy.
No wonder they stopped replying to you mate you are still flogging that one, you will be telling me the tsdz2b was a copy next. how does a design engineer copy his own work? you have still never answered the man despite your inflated, entitled, insinuating questioning,

If Picasso painted two commissions you would be claiming one of them was a copy mate you cant wrap your head around it can you. Anyone in any trade who's spent years perfecting a design is going to take the best parts of that design over. there are only so many ways something like that can be done in that space, do you want toseven to make it look different to keep you happy? if you open the cyc all the same principles will be at play

There's a picture of the stator in a machined housing. , Is that enough for it not to be a copy for you mate? At what point does it not become a copy to you?. as with the discussion early on and then your admission that you are not an engineer just a bike technician, patent law or mechanical engineering doesn't seem to be your forte

everything with you is loaded negatively against Toseven it seems, you are not willing to accept that any improvements have been made, and at present it doesn't look like you are qualified to know the difference between what is and isn't a copy

Where is your bias coming from are you a tongsheng fanboy or have you got skin in the game?
 
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The story going round here and other threads is that the head design engineer left and started toseven, i don't know enough to know that's true but it seems plausible and if its true then its not a copy its a evolution, Logic dictates you cannot copy your own work, only someone else can copy you,

as above if Picasso had painted two pictures one isnt a copy, Its possible for one to be called a reproduction but not if hes made significant changes or efforts to improve it, then its not a reproduction either , seems like this is what this engineer has a history of doing when he was at tongsheng, Now hes doing it for himself we have bike technicians in England deciding he's a rip off merchant and not entitled to a claim over his own work or even to continue to use or improve on use his previous learning.

This exact same thing happens all the time in all aspects of engineering its just in the westernised countries we give more importance to styling and form, where as in china we have been placing so much demand on them to make everything as cheap as possible for us they have got used to letting style take a backseat over function

Anyway if you look at the picture its clearly not a carbon copy as its the wrong way round from the tongsheng for a start, old smart arse technician seems to have missed that
 
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I just read this:
I hope Alex reads this post. It made me cringe. It sounds like it was written by a student, who had never seen an ebike before, had visited a few electric bike shops then wrote that article based on what the salesmen told him. Though short, it has just about every paradigm of the uninformed that we see on ebike forums from time to time.

If you have any responsibility for that, Alex, message me, and I'll sort it out for you.
ive now found thats already been answered on another thread mate. one where nobody is trolling the reps
Can you give a link please? I've seen your picture that does seem to show a bigger clearance than other motors, but the drawings I've seen seem to show an obstruction half-way down. I just want to know what the actual clearance is. I haven't seen any other threads, so a link would help.
 

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I just read this:
I hope Alex reads this post. It made me cringe. It sounds like it was written by a student, who had never seen an ebike before, had visited a few electric bike shops then wrote that article based on what the salesmen told him. Though short, it has just about every paradigm of the uninformed that we see on ebike forums from time to time.

If you have any responsibility for that, Alex, message me, and I'll sort it out for you.

Can you give a link please? I've seen your picture that does seem to show a bigger clearance than other motors, but the drawings I've seen seem to show an obstruction half-way down. I just want to know what the actual clearance is. I haven't seen any other threads, so a link would help.
Id respectfully ask that people keep in mind that often information is written by people whos first language is not English and they have tried really hard.

Id be surprised if anyone on here is capable of Chinese at anything approaching that level. So i see no need disparaging public comments.

While i welcome constructive feedback i ask you keep in mind the sensitivities around such a topic. This is an example of something that could have been broached in a much more polite way.

Thanks
 
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Id respectfully ask that people keep in mind that often information is written by people whos first language is not English and they have tried really hard.

Id be surprised if anyone on here is capable of Chinese at anything approaching that level. So i see no need disparaging public comments.

While i welcome constructive feedback i ask you keep in mind the sensitivities around such a topic. This is an example of something that could have been broached in a much more polite way.

Thanks
Good to see you back on here mate, though i don't know why you bother to reply to comments like that, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck. don't keep falling for it

Can i PM you some questions there's something's i would really love to know about the controller and programming , also where i can buy one in OZ .. Genuine interest here
 
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So everybody can see how pathetic you are? given how you spend your time i highly doubt you are capable of even leaving your mothers basement mate

Im out in oz and have been trying to get information on these motors for a couple of weeks now.

Came on here surprised to see a company rep is actually answering questions, i mean when do you ever see that? but having worked my way through the thread im surprised he kept going as long as he did. like a bunch of bloody piranhas you jumped on the bloke
Honestly not sure what's wrong with you mate but your comments on here are bang out of order, you and a couple of others have ruined it for the lot of us. well done mate, well done

What's up with actually trying to look up personal information on the bloke have you guys got nothing better to do with your time? am i the only one who thinks thats creepy AF. you are actually stalking the bloke now.. Do any of you actually want to buy this motor or are you just a bunch of tongsheng fanboys
Toseven should hire sales people with actual sales training. This is like trying to get straight answers from a used Subaru dealer. :rolleyes:
 
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You have just joined 51 minutes ago and instead of introducing yourself, you jumped straight into calling regular posters trolls and tongsheng fan boys. The last time the word fanboys was used on the forum was also in this thread by a guy who gave to7 10 out if 10. Strange coincidence. Perhaps this thread should be locked.
I suspect a certain user is creating new user accounts to comment in his favour, but despite such daft and obvious antics, I don't think this thread being locked would help potential motor buyers.
 
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This is an example of something that could have been broached in a much more polite way.
He said "Please". How was that impolite? He also offered to help you. @saneagle is a very enthusiastic and knowledgeable repairer, buyer and user, but as far as I know he doesn't buy motors in volume like @Woosh. There are other bulk buyers who read and use this forum, who haven't commented. Any salesperson would be wise to answer their questions.
 
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There's a picture of the stator in a machined housing. , Is that enough for it not to be a copy for you mate? At what point does it not become a copy to you?. as with the discussion early on and then your admission that you are not an engineer just a bike technician, patent law or mechanical engineering doesn't seem to be your forte
which picture are you taking about? Is it this one?



You and Alex keep calling this part 'the stator in a machined housing'.
Are you two connected because you both make the same mistake?
It's not a stator. This part rotates, that's why it has a ballbearing attached to it, and is called the rotor. The stator is the fixed part that has a copper wire and generates the magnetic field. This type of motors is called inrunner because the rotor is inside the stator.
 
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Id be surprised if anyone on here is capable of Chinese at anything approaching that level. So i see no need disparaging public comments.
The problem of that blogpost is not the command of the English language but the banality and lack of knowledge and or naivety of the writer. You can judge it for yourself, here is the main text:
https://to7motor.com/mid-drive-motor-vs-hub-motor/
If you’re trying to save some cash and still get that sweet electric bike experience, you’ll probably want to go with a hub drive system. It might not be as fancy as other options, but it’s simple, affordable, and packs enough power for your daily commute. Plus, it doesn’t matter if you’re not pedaling hard – the assist is based on how fast you’re pedaling.

But if you’re all about that high-performance life, you have got to go for a mid-drive system. They’re sleek, powerful, and more efficient so that you won’t burn through your battery as fast. Plus, they’re designed to keep the weight low on the bike, which makes handling way better.

And get this – they don’t add as much rotational weight as hub drive systems.

Mid-drive systems are going to cost you more, but if you’re looking for that refined, top-tier experience, a mid-drive is the way to go.
 
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