Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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There is an authoritive article in the Wall St Journal on how to get ..or avoid the CV19 virus. It is much to long to duplicate and bring here.
But there are a few salient points.
1. Most infections are caused by close proximity with super spreaders and by droplet inhalation.
2. Few infections are from contact with door knobs or parcels.. always worth cleaning hands etc, but not to over extend ones budget ..time or money on this.
3. Researcher cannot grow the viruses on media unless they get concentrations exceeding a million.
4. They characterise super spreaders as 10% of people who produce very high concentration of droplets and say this is responsible for 80% of infections.
5. Ventilation is the key. Poor ventilation , stagnant air allows the concentration to build up as aerosols .
6. Plastic Screens and of course masks are a very good idea if forced into proximity.
7. Choirs are really bad news .. The voice projection, the deep breathing and the proximity ensure excellent conditions for aerosol production and inhalation deep into and out of lungs.
 

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Choirs are really bad news .. The voice projection, the deep breathing and the proximity ensure excellent conditions for aerosol production and inhalation deep into and out of lungs.
Right, the police had better get Gareth Malone locked up then, before he does any more mischief.

He's back on on page 24 of next week's Radio Times wittering on about his choirs again.
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Boris's 'world-beating' track and trace COVID system fully working by June 1 2021?


Testing moved from Isle of Wight to cabinet members in Parliament....

 

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Boris's 'world-beating' track and trace COVID system fully working by June 1 2021?

Will it really take them until winter to change over? As I have facetiously said several times, just adopt the Latvian app...

Guardian reported also:
Government 'set to abandon contact tracing app in favour of alternative model', BBC reports

According to the BBC’s technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones, the government is abandoning its contact tracing app because it want to replace it with an alternative model.
 

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Will it really take them until winter to change over? As I have facetiously said several times, just adopt the Latvian app...

Guardian reported also:
Government 'set to abandon contact tracing app in favour of alternative model', BBC reports

According to the BBC’s technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones, the government is abandoning its contact tracing app because it want to replace it with an alternative model.
Its effectiveness needs a good number using it, however faith/trust in govt esp after the Cummings debacle etc. will maybe lead to folk not taking it up, and if they do ignoring it.

More than one in four people who test positive for the coronavirus cannot be reached by the test and trace system in England, data shows.

In the first two weeks of operation to 10 June, the service was given the details of 14,000 people to follow up.

But fewer than 10,200 of them could be reached. In some cases the contact details were not correct, while others did not return calls.

Of those who were reached, the service asked more than 87,000 of their close contacts to self-isolate.
 
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flecc

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According to the BBC’s technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones, the government is abandoning its contact tracing app because it want to replace it with an alternative model.
Probably largely a waste of time tracing anyway. Earlier it was announced that tracers were failing to find at least 1 in 4 of the contacts, so a gaping 25% hole.

With at least 25% of the super spreaders untraced, probably many more, tracing will be very ineffective.
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Barry Shittpeas

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Probably largely a waste of time tracing anyway. Earlier it was announced that tracers were failing to find at least 1 in 4 of the contacts, so a gaping 25% hole.

With at least 25% of the super spreaders untraced, probably many more, tracing will be very ineffective.
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Are we talking about the world beating tracking and tracing system here?

The App was always destined to be a crock of shite. It was predictable to be a failure by contributors on here the day it was announced. And with Baroness Dildo in charge of tracking & tracing, the other arm to the system will be a clusterfuck too. Her track record in business guarantees that outcome.
 

jonathan.agnew

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Are we talking about the world beating tracking and tracing system here?

The App was always destined to be a crock of shite. It was predictable to be a failure by contributors on here the day it was announced. And with Baroness Dildo in charge of tracking & tracing, the other arm to the system will be a clusterfuck too. Her track record in business guarantees that outcome.
Well, business as usual then. We're heading for another spike and autumn of lockdown (and remote work and, happily, long country walks, but unhappily no European holidays, in my case).
 

Barry Shittpeas

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Well, business as usual then. We're heading for another spike and autumn of lockdown (and remote work and, happily, long country walks, but unhappily no European holidays, in my case).
Yes, with the easing of lockdown, the people I’d rather not clap eyes on are drifting out of the countryside and back into the shops, McDonalds and in front of the telly watching footie. I’m dreading them re-emerging when the virus takes hold again due to the mismanagement of the lockdown easing.
 
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flecc

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We're heading for another spike and autumn of lockdown
I’m dreading them re-emerging when the virus takes hold again due to the mismanagement of the lockdown easing.
Perhaps not though, epidemics are strange things. They turn up, wreak their damage and often just as mysteriously disappear.

I think not enough attention is paid to vulnerability and immunity and their subsequent effects. Those who die first time round aren't available to die again. Those who were seriously ill have been duly warned and will be especially careful to stay safe subsequently to avoid a repeat of their suffering. Many of those who were only mildly affected may well have gained some degree of immunity.

And finally, of those who weren't affected, many may have a permanent natural immunity to that particular virus.

If we had immunity from pessimism the outlook would be very much brighter.
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Perhaps not though, epidemics are strange things. They turn up, wreak their damage and often just as mysteriously disappear.

I think not enough attention is paid to vulnerability and immunity and their subsequent effects. Those who die first time round aren't available to die again. Those who were seriously ill have been duly warned and will be especially careful to stay safe subsequently to avoid a repeat of their suffering. Many of those who were only mildly affected may well have gained some degree of immunity.

And finally, of those who weren't affected, many may have a permanent natural immunity to that particular virus.

If we had immunity from pessimism the outlook would be very much brighter.
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"If we had immunity from pessimism the outlook would be very much brighter."
We can't all be journalists for the Daily Express
 
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Perhaps not though, epidemics are strange things. They turn up, wreak their damage and often just as mysteriously disappear.
true for natural viruses and also natural selection.
if this virus comes from a lab, natural selection won't kill it.
 

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