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Police will be able to issue £100 lockdown fines from Wednesday.

Coronavirus fines to increase to £100 under new rules
Fines for breaking coronavirus regulations will increase by £40 to £100 per offence for the first offence under the new plans set out by Boris Johnson.
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My goodness who would have thought that this Government would find an even easier cash cow than motorists? All the copper has to do is give an opinion on a rumour of a theoretical crime and you're guilty as charged, that will be £100, (And yes Sir we do have a card machine)
And that photo is totally inapproriate anyway since there's nothing in it not now allowed.
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Police will be able to issue £100 lockdown fines from Wednesday.

Coronavirus fines to increase to £100 under new rules
Fines for breaking coronavirus regulations will increase by £40 to £100 per offence for the first offence under the new plans set out by Boris Johnson.
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My goodness who would have thought that this Government would find an even easier cash cow than motorists? All the copper has to do is give an opinion on a rumour of a theoretical crime and you're guilty as charged, that will be £100, (And yes Sir we do have a card machine)
The beaches will be groaning at the seams this weekend as people opt for the cheaper £40 all day tickets while they last
 

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Police will be able to issue £100 lockdown fines from Wednesday.

Coronavirus fines to increase to £100 under new rules
Fines for breaking coronavirus regulations will increase by £40 to £100 per offence for the first offence under the new plans set out by Boris Johnson.
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Fines for breaking coronavirus regulations will increase by £40 to £100 per offence for the first offence under the new plans set out by Boris Johnson.
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oldgroaner@oldgroaner

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My goodness who would have thought that this Government would find an even easier cash cow than motorists? All the copper has to do is give an opinion on a rumour of a theoretical crime and you're guilty as charged, that will be £100, (And yes Sir we do have a card machine)
Contactless only goes up to £45. So, even with a 50% "discount" for immediate payment, there will have to be contact.

They couldn't even see that £90 would have had that advantage.
 

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I think there's huge amount of exaggeration about every aspect of Covid-19, both the likelyhood of catching it, the effects and the after effects.

I'm equally sure that social distancing has very little efficacy for strangers among the general public in day to day activities like walking and shopping. As Danidl has observed, the exposure times then are usually very short. I believe any reductions in infections from the lockdown are almost entirely due to the large numbers working from home or off work at home so not being close together at work or on public transport.

And I'm certain the rise in the infection rate, then the plateau and finally the falling away are entirely due to vulnerability. The virus takes hold and rapidly infects the most susceptible. Then the most vulnerable among them become very ill and the weakest die. Then as the numbers of susceptible and vulnerable reduce the infection and death rates fall away naturally.

I doubt we'd have had any worse figures if we'd never had any outdoor social isolation rules or inter household isolations. The latter have so many complex somewhat hidden interactions that cross infection paths always exist anyway.
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Sorry flecc, but my view is more nuanced than that in it is the cumulative effect of viral load. So for instance if every 10th person you walked past quickly was an active carrier ,it is like passing a single person very slowly. So ambling down a full Oxford Street is bad news but strolling on Hampstead heath is fine. My concern with say construction workers, is not their time on site, but the journey in the Ford Transit getting there.
The biggest blemish on the Irish performance has been the introduction of CV19 into care homes . The cycle likely being that the acute hospitals were employing the nurses ,often Filipino , usually female,and these were issued with proper protective gear. Unfortunately 10 hour exposure creates opportunities for infection. Their partners, usually male , usually less educated , equally conscious, worked in care homes.
In my opinion the mortality rate might drop as the more vulnerable are picked off ,but the infection rate will not. The huge risk and the utter unknown in the fallacy of the herd immunity concept is that viruses mutate and the more present, the greater the probability. My reading is that the RNA based virus only succeeds in making 10% identical copies of itself ,and 90% are mutations. The majority of the mutations render the virus copy inert..but there is always the outlyer.
 

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The beaches will be groaning at the seams this weekend as people opt for the cheaper £40 all day tickets while they last
I think not. Over a week ago the Met Office wer forecasting the current downturn in the weather, so the timing of this latest government loosening of the lockdown didn't surprise me.

A case of letting the weather do the policing for them.

And it looks like my forecast back on April 25th that schools will start to go back on 1st June was correct.
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The huge risk and the utter unknown in the fallacy of the herd immunity concept is that viruses mutate and the more present, the greater the probability. My reading is that the RNA based virus only succeeds in making 10% identical copies of itself ,and 90% are mutations. The majority of the mutations render the virus copy inert..but there is always the outlyer.
This is an interesting read about the virus mutations taking place.
 

flecc

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So ambling down a full Oxford Street is bad news but strolling on Hampstead heath is fine.
No disagreement, we Londoners aren't so mad as to stroll in Oxford Street these days. It's decades since I last did in the mid 1960's, that's what visitors and tourists do, poor souls.
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Perhaps it's just me but I can't see the problem with obeying the law when it comes to parks or on the beach etc.
If you're caught using a cell phone whilst driving you get nicked, if you swipe a bike or punch someone's face in you will also be punished. If however you position yourself where you're requested not to, wave your arms about and protest that's deemed reasonable, how come that won't work if you're caught drunk in charge of a car ?
If I let myself into your home, sit down put the telly on and watch Corrie would you not object and throw me out. Shall I wave my arms about and protest I'm doing no harm to anyone so leave me alone, or should I not break the law in the first place.
 

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only 294 people talked about a subject as big a that?
Barack Obama has 117.2M followers.
 

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How come it wasn't a good idea yesterday, the day before, ... ?

Public advised to wear face masks under lockdown easing plan
Exactly, the message from day one has been that face masks are of no benefit to the public at large. In fact, “the science” has suggested that they may do more harm if not used correctly.

So what’s changed? Where is the information regarding how to use them properly in order to stop face masks from harming us?

Either they were lying because they had failed to adequately maintain stock at 2009 levels, or they are incompetent and making it up on the hoof and keeping “the science” sweet with promises of future titles and favour. I suspect it’s a lot of both.

******* bunch of *****.
 

oyster

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Exactly, the message from day one has been that face masks are of no benefit to the public at large. In fact, “the science” has suggested that they may do more harm if not used correctly.

So what’s changed? Where is the information regarding how to use them properly in order to stop face masks from harming us?

Either they were lying because they had failed to adequately maintain stock at 2009 levels, or they are incompetent and making it up on the hoof and keeping “the science” sweet with promises of future titles and favour. I suspect it’s a lot of both.

******* bunch of *****.
Looks to me like an excuse for breaking two-metre separation. As if, you can work really close if you wear a face mask. (This is wrong, anyway.)

Also, if we had been wearing them for weeks, millions would have made them and be ready to go when they return to work, or whatever. Crap attempts which are very uncomfortable, and ones that fall off, would have fallen by the wayside.

In South Korea is is suggested that one person infected 29 others. Whilst I don't know whether or not he was wearing a mask, that is the sort of situation a mask might really help.
 

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Seems crazy golf and tennis will be allowed from Wednesday - motorcycle community confused if they have to strap on golf clubs or a tennis racket before going out for a bimble.

Meanwhile London underground this morning !



Seems that restrictions being lifted - getting manufacturing and building back to work while not understanding how transmissions are happening and hitting social care especially* is risky esp for the vulnerable and health & social workers. I think Boris with R < 1 sees spare capacity in intensive care beds as an insurance. If and when it starts flaring up again then it'll be interesting how folk will willingly consent to reclamping down - sneaking in the higher fines is likely to be the tool of choice.

*"The Government is particularly troubled by the impact of COVID-19 in care homes. ... It is critical that the Government understands why this is occurring. ... on 4 May Public Health England launched a review ... This will be published by the end of May.

 

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