Brexit, for once some facts.

[RossG]

I think it's difficult to define exactly how this or any virus spreads in the populous. If you have say 50 people on a bus or train carriage and nobody is contagious then no one will catch anything, but if that same area has only 5 people in it and one is carrying a virus then the possibility of falling victim is obviously much greater even though there are less people in one space.
I know that's stating the obvious but then it only takes one person to technically infect thousands indirectly.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I think it's difficult to define exactly how this or any virus spreads in the populous. If you have say 50 people on a bus or train carriage and nobody is contagious then no one will catch anything, but if that same area has only 5 people in it and one is carrying a virus then the possibility of falling victim is obviously much greater even though there are less people in one space.
I know that's stating the obvious but then it only takes one person to technically infect thousands indirectly.

It’s called the London Underground effect.

 

[oyster]

I think it's difficult to define exactly how this or any virus spreads in the populous. If you have say 50 people on a bus or train carriage and nobody is contagious then no one will catch anything, but if that same area has only 5 people in it and one is carrying a virus then the possibility of falling victim is obviously much greater even though there are less people in one space.
I know that's stating the obvious but then it only takes one person to technically infect thousands indirectly.

Very much agree.

That is why I am convinced that there is much more to come. Areas with very low rates could suddenly go shooting upwards - possibly from asymptomatic people.

 

[Woosh]

Just another model, of course.

it's similar to the model produced by University College London.
The second peak this winter will be much higher than the current wave.
The NHS will be overwhelmed in November.
However, we can't realistically live in lockdown forever or until a good vaccine is found.

 

[oyster]

Labour's ex leader made a brief appearance -

it's similar to the model produced by University College London.
The second peak this winter will be much higher than the current wave.
The NHS will be overwhelmed in November.
However, we can't realistically live in lockdown forever or until a good vaccine is found.

My main point was the way Johnson seemed to be taking personal credit and no responsibility - despite this sort of prediction/estimation/modelling.

 

[Woosh]

people are not prepared to face the real threat scale of COVID, 2.5% of the population can be wiped out, mostly those over 75.
At present, if you test positive for COVID19, your chance of dying in hospital is about 12%-14%, your chance of being seriously injured is another 12%-14%. That is a huge risk for anyone going for a CV test.
The older you are, the worse probability you get.

 

[Craiggor 2]

How big do you want your scooter wheels. And I suppose 3 wheelers will be acceptable.

 

[Craiggor 2]

Can't see why sit down scooters would be ruled out.

 

[Craiggor 2]

May as well just drop the pedelec requirement.

 

[Craiggor 2]

One for the purists.

 

[RossG]

The machine in that second picture could have another use...

 

[soundwave]

stay alert, control the bike, dont kill people

 

[Danidl]

That’s because everyone has been staying at home and not packing themselves onto tube trains. I hope I’m wrong, but if that picture of a packed train carriage is typical, I think London will be reclaiming top spot again.

This virus started with one person, and by that one person mixing with other people, it’s become a global pandemic. That mechanism has not changed, it’s not gone away. The only change is that there are now a few more ventilators if you want to take the 60:40 odds of not surviving the experience.

Yes BSP, you have got it in one. Every one of those carriages is an incubator. Of huge interest is that of re-emergence of cases in China. Small clusters have started to appear..Even in areas where they had no cases for 70 days!. Now these could be visitors or even could be bugs left on foods frozen for the last three months.

 

[vfr400]

only 294 people talked about a subject as big a that?
Barack Obama has 117.2M followers.

I think you're misunderstanding something. There are 3.3 million #obamagate tweets listed at the moment, but the tweet I showed you demonstrates that twitter is deleting them as fast as they can. The 249 people were talking about that tweet, not #obamagate.

Since I wrote that paragraph, it's just gone down from 3.3 million to 2.91 million! Based on those two observations of deletion rates, the true number of tweets must be in the 10s of millions.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Government advice regarding face masks, you know, the things which do you more harm than good:

The government for England says people should "aim to wear a face-covering in enclosed spaces where social distancing is not always possible and they come into contact with others that they do not normally meet". That would include, for example, on public transport and in some shops.
They do not need to be worn outdoors, while exercising, in schools, in workplaces such as offices, and retail, or by those who may find them difficult to wear, such as children under two or primary aged children who cannot use them without assistance, or those who may have problems breathing whilst wearing a face covering.


So you should aim to wear one if you go into an indoor environment, but not wear one if you work in an indoor environment, such as a retail worker, office worker or teacher. The virus must somehow know that a person is in one of these groups of workers and not attack them. What a clever virus! It’s either that or another case of “the science“ being shoehorned into a fit with the pitiful stocks of PPE available. How do these tamed Scientists sleep?They can’t have any conscience at all

 

[oldgroaner]

Report of the Independent Science Group 12 the May 2020

Anthony Costello
WHO ask for government to commit to evidence that shows that COVID-19 transmission is controlled. We are still seeing 20,000 cases per day with up to 400,000 contacts each day. (4)
WHO ask that 'sufficient public health+health system capacities are in place to identify, isolate, test and treat all cases, and to trace and quarantine contacts.' Nothing is joined up. Tests by Deloitte, tracing by SERCO. Nothing linked to primary care or local public health (5)
The Government has appointed Baroness Harding to lead the COVID-19 Test and Trace Taskforce, ex-CEO of Talk Talk when 4 million people had bank details accessed by fraudsters. When asked if the data was encrypted or not, she said: "The awful truth is that I don’t know." (6)
Report says "Outbreaks amongst the socially excluded - whether through poverty or homelessness - are likely to be especially difficult to detect and harmful, since people in these groups may lack the means to isolate themselves when ill. " Solution? NONE. (7)
WHO asks that 'Preventive measures are established in workplaces, with physical distancing, handwashing facilities and respiratory etiquette in place, and potentially thermal monitoring.' No government guidelines. (8)
WHO asks that 'Outbreak risks are minimized in high vulnerability settings, such as long-term care facilities (i.e. nursing homes, rehabilitative and mental health centres) and congregate settings.' This isn't happening. (9)
"The Government is providing widespread, swift testing of all symptomatic care home residents, and all patients discharged from hospital before going into care homes." This is not what we're hearing from the frontline. (10)
WHO asks for "Communities have a voice, are informed, engaged and participatory in the transition." Nothing. No engagement. A strategy that is so top-down, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland weren't even informed. (11)
@globalhlthtwit
In short, the government plans will lead to the epidemic returning early, cases rising, further preventable deaths, and no guarantee that herd immunity will ever occur. This is compounding the disastrous policy of March 12. (12)·
10h
Apparently the plan was not approved by the chief scientific advisor and chief medical officer. We need them to confirm one way or another. This strategy will do harm. They should not endorse it. Primum non nocere. (13)

There is still time to implement our recommendations. We look forward to the government's response. (14)

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Report of the Independent Science Group 12 the May 2020

Anthony Costello
WHO ask for government to commit to evidence that shows that COVID-19 transmission is controlled. We are still seeing 20,000 cases per day with up to 400,000 contacts each day. (4)
WHO ask that 'sufficient public health+health system capacities are in place to identify, isolate, test and treat all cases, and to trace and quarantine contacts.' Nothing is joined up. Tests by Deloitte, tracing by SERCO. Nothing linked to primary care or local public health (5)
The Government has appointed Baroness Harding to lead the COVID-19 Test and Trace Taskforce, ex-CEO of Talk Talk when 4 million people had bank details accessed by fraudsters. When asked if the data was encrypted or not, she said: "The awful truth is that I don’t know." (6)
Report says "Outbreaks amongst the socially excluded - whether through poverty or homelessness - are likely to be especially difficult to detect and harmful, since people in these groups may lack the means to isolate themselves when ill. " Solution? NONE. (7)
WHO asks that 'Preventive measures are established in workplaces, with physical distancing, handwashing facilities and respiratory etiquette in place, and potentially thermal monitoring.' No government guidelines. (8)
WHO asks that 'Outbreak risks are minimized in high vulnerability settings, such as long-term care facilities (i.e. nursing homes, rehabilitative and mental health centres) and congregate settings.' This isn't happening. (9)
"The Government is providing widespread, swift testing of all symptomatic care home residents, and all patients discharged from hospital before going into care homes." This is not what we're hearing from the frontline. (10)
WHO asks for "Communities have a voice, are informed, engaged and participatory in the transition." Nothing. No engagement. A strategy that is so top-down, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland weren't even informed. (11)
@globalhlthtwit
In short, the government plans will lead to the epidemic returning early, cases rising, further preventable deaths, and no guarantee that herd immunity will ever occur. This is compounding the disastrous policy of March 12. (12)·
10h
Apparently the plan was not approved by the chief scientific advisor and chief medical officer. We need them to confirm one way or another. This strategy will do harm. They should not endorse it. Primum non nocere. (13)

There is still time to implement our recommendations. We look forward to the government's response. (14)

SERCO, Deloitte, Baroness Mc Cuntwhistle, why should we have any concerns? what can possibly go well?

Which reminds me, has anyone seen or heard anything of Sir Cunty Mc Cuntwhistle, the man who Handcock appointed weeks ago to sort out the PPE shambles, which is still a shambles? I’m wondering whether to submit a missing person report to the police. He should be easy to find, just wait outside the payroll office on Thursdays, he’ll be there.

 

[oldgroaner]

Morning idiocy in the Mail, that regards Unions that have concern for Human lives as "posturing"
"
Children face being sent to DIFFERENT schools with staggered start times and a maximum of 15 pupils to a class under radical plans to reopen classrooms within weeks - if 'posturing' unions spoiling for a fight don't veto them

Time this arse wipe of a right wing rag was closed permanently

They are getting out of touch if the readers comments are anything to go by, as only 1 out of 20 agreed with them, the other 19 were scathing!

 

[oldgroaner]

It's a proud and lonely thing when you see yourself as a "British Bulldog"
When all the world can see

You're really an American Bullfrog, that for the first time in Hundreds of years despite major wars failing to do so, has with only the help of a monkey on his back emptied the seats of the house of commons
Rather appropriately ignoring the clear signs of where he should be sitting , obviously he wasn't Alert enough

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Morning idiocy in the Mail, that regards Unions that have concern for Human lives as "posturing"
"
Children face being sent to DIFFERENT schools with staggered start times and a maximum of 15 pupils to a class under radical plans to reopen classrooms within weeks - if 'posturing' unions spoiling for a fight don't veto them

Time this arse wipe of a right wing rag was closed permanently

They are getting out of touch if the readers comments are anything to go by, as only 1 out of 20 agreed with them, the other 19 were scathing!

‘Don’t worry about the readers comments, the undesirable ones will be deleted and replaced with more appropriate comment. These will then receive hundreds of likes to boost them up the order. Cant have public opinion clouding the newspaper owner’s instructions to government.