Brexit, for once some facts.
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The view from OZ
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/boris-johnson-escapes-criticism-while-uk-pandemic-deaths-soar,13817
My twitter response
oldgroaner@oldgroaner
"We even get clowns on here defending him, which really indicates an alarming lack of intelligence in those who cannot connect cause with effect
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/boris-johnson-escapes-criticism-while-uk-pandemic-deaths-soar,13817
My twitter response
oldgroaner@oldgroaner
"We even get clowns on here defending him, which really indicates an alarming lack of intelligence in those who cannot connect cause with effect
Population density was not the key.. . Nor did they ban people entering.. but restricted it to Kiwis and THEN PAID TO PUT THEM UP in LUXURY hotels for the Quarantine Periods.. no ifs no buts, no washy "self isolation" fudges. Then they tested and contact traced, and tested and contact traced. Oh and the fact that their Premier was honest with them from day 1 ,and followed the Science.
They did ban entry to the country. My niece was due to go there as a medic on 01/04. The New Zealand authorities wrote to her in March saying that entry was refused due to Coronavirus.
You are clearly wrong on that aspect and I suspect on the other aspects too. Population density is a major factor. The U.K. population centres have suffered the most, London & Birmingham being two examples. People live so closely together that tracking and tracing is virtually impossible. In these cities, you can have contact with many people who’s identities are totally unknown.
shared public transport is the major factor.
Especially airplanes and airport, also underground.
Which are to be found serving areas of high population density.
Looks like contact tracing 'fire brigade' desperately required in care homes - testing and identifying visitors, staff and their families.
Coronavirus: Care home deaths up as hospital cases fall
Outbreaks in care homes claiming 2,000 lives a week, but hospital fatalities are going down.
www.bbc.co.uk
Tracking and tracing may be impossible
Since there is no intention on the part of the government to make even a token effort.We will never know for sure, will we?
While I fully agree that having teams going round care homes is an obvious and highly apporpriate thing to arrange, I sadly suspect it will be too late for all too many.Looks like contact tracing 'fire brigade' desperately required in care homes - testing and identifying visitors, staff and their families.
Coronavirus: Care home deaths up as hospital cases fall
Outbreaks in care homes claiming 2,000 lives a week, but hospital fatalities are going down.www.bbc.co.uk
Strikes me as possible that some areas are easier to consider thorough contact tracing than others. The combination of cases so far and both absolute number and distribution of population makes round here look a sensible possibility. And Isle of Wight.
Yes it is and has been from the outset, as the facts show only too clearly.
Contact tracing is completely impossible in the highest density areas, thus negating much of the value of testing.
I have no idea of the identity of the hundreds of people I've been in unavoidably close proximity to in my dense population area of London. For those in the highest density inner areas, especially when they use the underground and buses, it's even worse, since social distancing is for them no more than a joke.
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I think the smart phone App idea using Bluetooth and NFC could be useful. It won’t work for everyone, but many people use iOS or Android devices. There will be a few tinfoil hat wearers that won’t buy in, but I think enough will to make it work.
Not around these parts. It’s the big towns and cities where it’s very hard to isolate and virtually impossible to manually contact trace where the problems exist. The numbers support that.
Well, what's a few percent here or there?
The Covid-19 death toll in England and Wales was 52.9% higher than the daily figures. The Office for National Statistics said it had recorded 21,284 fatalities that mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate as of 17 April, compared with 13,917 in the daily hospital death stats published by the government.
The Covid-19 death toll in England and Wales was 52.9% higher than the daily figures. The Office for National Statistics said it had recorded 21,284 fatalities that mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate as of 17 April, compared with 13,917 in the daily hospital death stats published by the government.
No.. read my answer. Was your niece a Kiwi?. Non nationals were not let in at all.
The answer was the lockdown and quarantine, and the insistence that the contagion would not spread, by contact tracing. As you might be aware there are two major Islands in NZ, and the majority of their cases was on the LEAST populated Island..due to an illegal family gathering.
We have this complaints program on the radio called Joe Duffy , where all the dingbats with axes to grind etc ring in and whinge about whatever. Well last week he held a 30 minute conversation with a Maths professor at Canterbury University , whom Joe knew as a student in Ireland, and who returned to NZ early March. The conversation contrasted the behaviours there and here. It included the fact that the Irish border is porous to the North, and the poorer response in NI has created clusters in our least populated counties ..Cavan , Monaghan, Donegal. Louth my county has more than its fair share, but is more dense. Afterwards a number of returned Irish from NZ reiterated the same story.
The whole point of the NZ strategy is that they quarantined early on, before the population of sufferers grew. The UK medical authorities were in a position to track and trace and quarantine before the numbers grew. Football matches could and should have been cancelled . Underground services stopped.
Somebody is being economic with the truth here.. the statement should read .. " death rate 70% higher than admitted". The number being 1.7 times the reported number.
That would be one of way of really destroying the economy.
Utterly pointless too without stopping all bus travel too.
Measures like these are impossible in this 400 square mile city.
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