Brexit, for once some facts.

Wicky

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Again, to pervert our childhood (or later) memories, The Magic Roundabout got rather taken the wrong way at this Barmouth cafe. :)

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Trump a few days ago, and no he wasn't talking about his fave chippy... or was he...


Remarks by President Trump Coronavirus Task Force in Press Briefing April 19th 2020
 
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I think the smart phone App idea using Bluetooth and NFC could be useful. It won’t work for everyone, but many people use iOS or Android devices. There will be a few tinfoil hat wearers that won’t buy in, but I think enough will to make it work.
You need a large percentage of users to allow their GPS coordinates to be saved so that dangerous clustering can be detected and localised. With bluetooth alone, you can collect user IDs and turn their Covid status to red but you expose users to bluetooth hacking (google 'blueborne', 'Key Negotiation of Bluetooth').
In any case, this government wouldn't want to spend money on tests pretending that they want 'accurate tests only', and tracing means a lot more tests.
 
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RossG

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Looking out of my window across the Solent I see cross channel ferries are still running, I can't imagine why people would want to think about a holiday in the middle of a pandemic.
 

flecc

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Somebody is being economic with the truth here.. the statement should read .. " death rate 70% higher than admitted". The number being 1.7 times the reported number.
No, 1.7 times 13917 is 23689.9.

The original report is correct.
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flecc

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Looking out of my window across the Solent I see cross channel ferries are still running, I can't imagine why people would want to think about a holiday in the middle of a pandemic.
You've never heard of having a last fling? :D

Seriously though, the social distancing prospects on the ferry are far better than in a Eurostar train, so for those who are travelling for a genuine reason it can be the best option.
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I wonder what happened to reality? there was a time that published figures vaguely reflected reality.Perhaps they still do I suppose it depends which alternative reality you're in at the time...for example




Ian Fraser@Ian_Fraser
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The United Kingdom's #Covid19 death toll is already above 45,000, according to
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Looking out of my window across the Solent I see cross channel ferries are still running, I can't imagine why people would want to think about a holiday in the middle of a pandemic.
Used to carry quite a bit of freight. including food lorries.
 
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RossG

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Used to carry quite a bit of freight. including food lorries.
Until Boris says he doesn't want any food from Europe now we are out of the EU (so rumour has it)
Another odd thing, garden centres are closed presumable as they are non essential but B & Q are open.
So fence panels & plaster = yes, Tomato & Cucumber plants (food) = no ?
 

flecc

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Until Boris says he doesn't want any food from Europe now we are out of the EU (so rumour has it)
Another odd thing, garden centres are closed presumable as they are non essential but B & Q are open.
So fence panels & plaster = yes, Tomato & Cucumber plants (food) = no ?
If B & Q are selling it, you can buy it. The government said as much when they rapped Norhampton's Chief Constable over the knuckles, over the issue of looking at what customers were buying, saying of customers, "They can buy whatever they like".

B & Q's position is similar to many others such as Screwfix, Machine Mart at al, and even Halfords, all selling items that other shops compulsorily closed have normally sold.
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RossG

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According to the Express newspaper this is a list of those who can open:

  • Supermarkets and other food shops
  • Medical services (such as dental surgeries, opticians and audiology clinics, physiotherapy clinics, chiropody and podiatry clinics, and other professional vocational medical services)
  • Pharmacies and chemists, including non-dispensing pharmacies
  • Petrol stations
  • Bicycle shops
  • Hardware shops and equipment, plant and tool hire
  • Veterinary surgeries and pet shops
  • Agricultural supplies shops
  • Corner shops and newsagents
  • Off-licences and licenced shops selling alcohol, including those within breweries
  • Laundrettes and dry cleaners
  • Post offices
  • Vehicle rental services
  • Car garages and MOT services
  • Car parks
  • High street banks, building societies, short-term loan providers, credit unions and cash points
  • Storage and distribution facilities, including delivery drop off points where they are on the premises of any of the above businesses
  • Public toilets
 
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Interesting to read that Germanys R level is back to 1, it was 0.7 earlier this month before they started to ease lockdown restrictions. I think most people will agree that Germany have handled things extremely well so far, but it just goes to show how difficult coming out of lockdown can be. If the Germans are finding it difficult I don't hold out a lot of hope for us when we start to ease some of our restrictions.
 

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That would be one of way of really destroying the economy.

Utterly pointless too without stopping all bus travel too.

Measures like these are impossible in this 400 square mile city.
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And having a long drawn out multiple cycle quasi lockdown won't?. Read the rest of it... The time to act was at the start,and to act decisively. And no I do disagree, the problem with the tube is the volume of air is extremely limited. Buses have windows, ques are in the open air. Restricted travel with half the seats blocked off .
It was evident that close proximity was the problem.. BS can argue for aerosol transmission etc ..but proximity matters. My daughter is currently travelling by surface train every day. The carriages have only 1 seat in each cluster of 6 available, the rest are unavailable
 

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the problem with the tube is the volume of air is extremely limited. Buses have windows, ques are in the open air. Restricted travel with half the seats blocked off .
It was evident that close proximity was the problem.. BS can argue for aerosol transmission etc ..but proximity matters.
Of course proximity matters, that is precisely my argument about population density being a major factor. And of course the time to have acted was at the start, but that horse bolted long ago.

The underground position isn't as different from the buses as you seem to imagine. Like the buses they are running with far fewer passengers now so much more spacing than usual.

And our buses don't have half the seats blocked off. Only the front of the lower deck seats are blocked off to shield the driver from passengers getting to close, the rest and the upper deck unchanged.
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The time to act was at the start,and to act decisively.
I agree. That's the only way.
It's like Japanese knotweed, don't just nip it. Eradicate it. Annihilate it.
 

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