Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

Fine if there are enough local people. Social distancing will be difficult in any accommodation likely to be available for non-locals.

The same applies for any hired labour in this industry, regardless of where they normally live.

I thought it seems wrong that we have millions unable to work in their regular workplace, yet we are hiring people from overseas and overlooking our own workforce.

 

[oldgroaner]

Text back, "Too late, I'm dead".
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Response "Thank you, we'll pass on the good news to the health secretary"

 

[oldgroaner]

Fine if there are enough local people. Social distancing will be difficult in any accommodation likely to be available for non-locals.

If it's any help we have lots of Slave shackles intended to keep them apart in Wilberforce House here in Hull, would you like to buy or hire some?

 

[oldgroaner]

The same applies for any hired labour in this industry, regardless of where they normally live.

I thought it seems wrong that we have millions unable to work in their regular workplace, yet we are hiring people from overseas and overlooking our own workforce.

Just get them to answer this question

Are you in favour of Brexit?
If yes, the job's yours me bucko!

 

[flecc]

Why are we having to fly extra labour into the U.K. to perform crop picking for us? This is a work environment where it is possible to socially distance and is carried out in a safer environment than a warehouse, for example.

People have saddled themselves with debt, much of it unnecessary debt, so isn’t this a perfect opportunity for them to service the responsibility of that voluntary debt? This seems a better option, particularly for single young people, than furlough.

As sptj says, accommodation will be a major problem since it's a usually a packed in situation.

And the vegetable crop picking harvesters require everyone to be standing in a row shoulder to shoulder as they pick and place on the conveyor. Likewise those standing inside and bagging items from the conveyor.

Info link.
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[Danidl]

Why are we having to fly extra labour into the U.K. to perform crop picking for us? This is a work environment where it is possible to socially distance and is carried out in a safer environment than a warehouse, for example.

People have saddled themselves with debt, much of it unnecessary debt, so isn’t this a perfect opportunity for them to service the responsibility of that voluntary debt? This seems a better option, particularly for single young people, than furlough.

Barry, your understanding of crop picking may well be out of date. A typical arrangement is to have a platform mounted on the rear of a tractor and the pickers.. multiple .. lie prone on this as it moves along the furrows. The spacing between rows and the hight of the platform being predetermined. .. so not really socially distant.

 

[oyster]

I'm far from being a Starmer fan and am disappointed he's Labour leader. This bit of stupidity shows why, of course the government cannot say when or how the lockdown will end when we haven't even hit the peak yet.
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But you can't say "We don't know when or how it will end." for weeks (months?), then, suddenly and without any planning, "OK - it's over."

I didn't interpret Starmer as saying that he expected a calendar date in response to "When?", more a "We will move to unlock when ... new cases drop/deaths drop/the weather hits 30C/whatever."

The government simply must plan this even if, as with so many plans, first contact with the enemy trashes them.

 

[oldgroaner]

I didn't like this guy, but I'm starting to change my mind

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1250354601406201856

 

[flecc]

Barry, your understanding of crop picking may well be out of date. A typical arrangement is to have a platform mounted on the rear of a tractor and the pickers.. multiple .. lie prone on this as it moves along the furrows. The spacing between rows and the hight of the platform being predetermined. .. so not really socially distant.

Snap, though as I posted above, we more commonly use a stand and bend to pick and trim for the conveyor. But more up to date than the old Polish one on show that I linked to.
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[oldgroaner]

Snap, though as I posted above, we more commonly use a stand and bend to pick and trim for the conveyor. But more up to date than the old Polish one on show that I linked to.
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I think we all know what the Government plan for ending the lockdown is
The moment when the pressure from the people that OWN them on an individual basis tell them their profits from hedge funds have stopped coming in and it's time to gull the public that no matter how many are currently dying where they stand is a minor consideration, compared to that.

 

[flecc]

The government simply must plan this even if, as with so many plans, first contact with the enemy trashes them.

I disagree since we don't even know with certainty when this first phase will peak or end, or even if we will have a second phase and how soon after that might follow or how long that might last.

In other words, all that can be sensibly said is each decision will be taken as each change in the disease trend becomes apparent. Until they do, no good decision is possible. Anyway they have already said this more than once.

This government has made a real mess of this crisis handling, but there's no point in hammering them because they don't have an accurate crystal ball. Nobody has, and asking them to guess will only make things worse if their guess is wrong.
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[flecc]

I think we all know what the Government plan for ending the lockdown is
The moment when the pressure from the people that OWN them on an individual basis tell them their profits from hedge funds have stopped coming in and it's time to gull the public that no matter how many are currently dying where they stand is a minor consideration, compared to that.

Indeed, there's truth in the economic factor, and it would be no different under Labour with Starmer, simply because bankruptcy isn't an option.
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[oyster]

We've got yeast and flour for about a week; already having to increase the proportion of white. I think there is bread in the shops.

I wonder if the increased use of flour is (a) people who always used breadmakers hoarding, (b) people with breadmakers they didn't use starting to use them, (c) people buying new breadmakers, or (most unlikely d) people making bread without using a breadmaker. Maybe (d) is not so unlikely in a lockdown; the main advantage of a breadmaker is not needing to be home at specific times to mind the bread, which isn't so much an issue if you are locked down.

We used to do little shops every day or every other day. Can manage weekly but I don't think I can get my mind round much more than that. Our freezer is very small and very full.

Years ago, we had a breadmaker and it was, in its way, quite impressive.

But I was always frustrated that we had to choose one of their programs. I prefer a long, slow, cool rise. They tend to be short, fast, warm/hot rises.

I'd go further and say that I would like a dough-maker with programmable control. Once it has mixed and risen, I prefer to bake conventionally. So the dough-maker would simply ensure that the dough was ready at around dinner time when the oven is already on for something else! (Not a problem at present, of course.)

 

[Wicky]

Coronavirus: More tests promised for care homes

Care providers welcome the pledge but predict a "major challenge" amid outbreaks at more than 2,000 homes.

www.bbc.co.uk

2nd main front after hospitals - Care homes and care of elderly / vulnerable in the community have been struggling.

I posted my local Tory MP on his FB page for him to help sort out, an appeal from a learning difficulties residential home for supplies as they normally buy from cash & carry but restictions on bulk purchases meant they were having to send staff roving around supermarkets to basic foodstuff - all the while short staffed. My lovely MP soon deleted it as it seemed to incongruently clash with his messages to & from Boris.

Then this cropped up locally

Homecare help for elderly axed during pandemic

ELDERLY residents could be left with no-one to help them during the remainder of the pandemic after a charity temporarily axed its homecare service.

www.gazette-news.co.uk

Care teams and volunteers will also be making wellbeing calls to see if isolated clients are managing OK alone.

If they aren’t, however, it is unknown what action the charity will decide to take.

So even charities / private sector that prop up care in the community are wilting under the strain and reliance is being placed on goodwill of volunteers to act as essential life support to the vulnerable.

 

[oyster]

I didn't like this guy, but I'm starting to change my mind

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1250354601406201856

Never have liked Piers Morgan, but he has a point...

The Good Morning Britain presenter Piers Morgan has defended his abrasive interview with the care minister Helen Whately this morning (see 9.23am) - and called for her to be sacked.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1250343905658191874

 

[oyster]

I disagree since we don't even know with certainty when this first phase will peak or end, or even if we will have a second phase and how soon after that might follow or how long that might last.

In other words, all that can be sensibly said is each decision will be taken as each change in the disease trend becomes apparent. Until they do, no good decision is possible. Anyway they have already said this more than once.

This government has made a real mess of this crisis handling, but there's no point in hammering them because they don't have an accurate crystal ball. Nobody has, and asking them to guess will only make things worse if their guess is wrong.
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But what you can do is discuss what will happen if you suddenly remove controls entirely, or do it step by step.

There will be huge impacts on things like road transport fuel usage. Restaurants and cafes trying to open up and needing supplies. Holiday insurance. And on and on. Lots and lots of issues that will need to be addressed whenever and under whatever circumstances things are unlocked.

We saw what happens when you impose lockdown without planning. Without really having any idea what effect it will have on daya to day life, on supplies, transport, etc.

Adding:

The Welsh government has said it is starting to consider how to ease the Covid-19 restrictions – but warned that the disruption will continue for a significant period.

Education minister Kirsty Williams told the daily press briefing in Cardiff:

The Welsh government is beginning to think about what steps we can take as a nation to begin to ease the restrictions following an end to lockdown. Clearly that will be guided very much by science.

She said she expected the Welsh first minister, Mark Drakeford, to give more details after this week’s meetings of the UK’s scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage) and Cobra.

But Williams also said:

We should prepare ourselves for a significant period of disruption.

 

[flecc]

We saw what happens when you impose lockdown without planning. Without really having any idea what effect it will have on daya to day life, on supplies, transport, etc.

It's a very different situation though, Lockdown had to be sudden everywhere to meet the emergency. Sweden didn't do it suddenly and have admitted that was wrong.

Conversely the release will have to be slow, partial and careful, step by step. I don't understand the complaints or Starmer's question, since that and more has already been said several times in answers to journalists at the daily briefings. To me it's as though many don't listen.
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[oyster]

Might be verrrryyyy slow, but today realised we were so very lucky not to have bought a car in the last registration year. After all, who would like having a plate CV19 xyz?

(Our Welsh plated car is a CV - south-west Wales - plate, but different year.)

 

[flecc]

Might be verrrryyyy slow, but today realised we were so very lucky not to have bought a car in the last registration year. After all, who would like having a plate CV19 xyz?

(Our Welsh plated car is a CV - south-west Wales - plate, but different year.)

My last car was prefixed LV (Lockdown Virus?)

I'm surprised I haven't been stopped by police with my new one, wanting to know why I'm travelling so far. I bought it in Lancashire 251 miles away, and it has a Preston number plate (PN).
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[Barry Shittpeas]

Just get them to answer this question

Are you in favour of Brexit?
If yes, the job's yours me bucko!

Can’t see what difference that makes, but if we’ve got someone looking for a job, I think it makes sense to marry them up with this industry where there seems to be a labour shortage.

 

[oldgroaner]

Indeed, there's truth in the economic factor, and it would be no different under Labour with Starmer, simply because bankruptcy isn't an option.
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Not so grasshopper
For if Bankruptcy is not an option
Then there can be no reason to proceed with Brexit
It follows that there exist just two possibilities.
And what are they my master?
Well Grasshopper
Either the government is Bats**t crazy
Or they have been investing heavily the money gifted to them
By their benefactor Mr Putin
In upmarket property in the richer suburbs
of Moscow.
It's a matter of principle, grasshopper.
"How so, my master? what principle is that?"
"Two can play at this game, grasshopper
Karma"