Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Can’t see what difference that makes, but if we’ve got someone looking for a job, I think it makes sense to marry them up with this industry where there seems to be a labour shortage.
Oh Boy, having a get out of bed grumpy day are we?
I just want the jobs to go to the most deserving!
And who could be more deserving of menial work
than someone who deliberately deprived the Johnny foreigners
of that menial and hard work?
 
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I disagree since we don't even know with certainty when this first phase will peak or end, or even if we will have a second phase and how soon after that might follow or how long that might last.

In other words, all that can be sensibly said is each decision will be taken as each change in the disease trend becomes apparent. Until they do, no good decision is possible. Anyway they have already said this more than once.

This government has made a real mess of this crisis handling, but there's no point in hammering them because they don't have an accurate crystal ball. Nobody has, and asking them to guess will only make things worse if their guess is wrong.
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Sorry Flecc, I must disagree. They should be suggesting the game plan ,but of course nit putting dates on it. For instance Operation Overlord was being planned from 1942 ,and the dates were very flexible ..but the sequence was not.
So for instance I could see a catalogue of decisions such as .. ability to test 2% of the population for antibodies and issueing of passports as being credible. Of designating buses , bars, hotels, workplaces for cv19 survivors.. Just having the sign on them would ensure that vulnerable people would not use them.
But key to it all is Testing... And the UK is failing there bigly.
 
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Strewth! this from the Conservatives scrap yard attack dog!



Andrew Neil

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According to research by Deep Knowledge Group (DKG), a Hong Kong venture capital group specialising in medicines, Germany is the second safest country in the world during Covid-19 pandemic, with Israel in the top spot. Britain is not in the Top 40 safest.

File under : Rats/Sinking/ships/Conservative party
 

oldgroaner

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My last car was prefixed LV (Lockdown Virus?)

I'm surprised I haven't been stopped by police with my new one, wanting to know why I'm travelling so far. I bought it in Lancashire 251 miles away, and it has a Preston number plate (PN).
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If you are stopped tell the copper you were searching desperately for a public charging point, that should get you off!
 
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The only true way out of this lock down is via herd immunity. You either immunise the herd with a vaccine (if one can be found), or you allow the herd to gain immunity via cross infection and building up antibodies (if there is such a process with this new virus).

Without a vaccine the virus will re-emerge as soon as lockdown measures are released. Then they will need to be reapplied again, and so on. There is no easy solution. This is more infectious than influenza, so a lot of vaccine and / or infection will need to take place before it finally goes away. By which time the Chinese will have developed a taste for monkey shite on toast and will have created a new pandemic with their disgusting habits.
 

oldgroaner

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The only true way out of this lock down is via herd immunity. You either immunise the herd with a vaccine (if one can be found), or you allow the herd to gain immunity via cross infection and building up antibodies (if there is such a process with this new virus).

Without a vaccine the virus will re-emerge as soon as lockdown measures are released. Then they will need to be reapplied again, and so on. There is no easy solution. This is more infectious than influenza, so a lot of vaccine and / or infection will need to take place before it finally goes away. By which time the Chinese will have developed a taste for monkey shite on toast and will have created a new pandemic with their disgusting habits.
Following your advice we may as well eat it ourselves to "cut out the middle man"
 
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With this Government in charge of our futures those of us who are classed as elderly may as well indulge in Extreme sports as a fun way of reducing the stress on the NHS

A new health initiative is called for with a slogan

Going forth unprotected
Risks your neck, but remember
KIlling yourself off
Makes it one old git less
and protects in the process the NHS"
 
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Sorry Flecc, I must disagree. They should be suggesting the game plan, but of course nit putting dates on it.

But key to it all is Testing... And the UK is failing there bigly.
They have given a general strategy in replies to journalists and even hinted at the economic factor, but in your last sentence you've disputed your disagreement.

Until we've built up enough testing capacity we can't make a plan. When we are getting near to enough testing capacity, we can make a plan then, once we know what we can and can't do. That planning doesn't take months or even weeks, since the options are limited and we'll have the examples of the more successful countries to follow.

Meanwhile I'm quite sure they have outline plans for different scenarios but there can't be a fixed one to reveal of course.
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Meanwhile I'm quite sure they have outline plans for different scenarios but there can't be a fixed one to reveal of course.
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they need to know how many deaths per day the public will tolerate while waiting for a cure or a vaccine.
At the moment, ministers run around TV stations like headless chickens.
 
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Well what’s the solution without a vaccine or immunisation via antibodies / herd immunity (ie having had the disease and survived)?
when they have worked out the acceptable level of attrition, they will do antibody tests, not before.
 

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At the moment, ministers run around TV stations like headless chickens.
It's what always happens when the media and public demand resolutions for unanswerable questions.

This side of a vaccine, nobody has the answer since it could return time and time again, anywhere.
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Well what’s the solution without a vaccine or immunisation via antibodies / herd immunity (ie having had the disease and survived)?
Forget Covid-19, it's a lost cause.

When it's subsided, tell China that on any future pandemic we will impose a 1% duty for every one thousand deaths on everything they sell to us. And nothing received will be paid for until the duty is received in advance by the UK treasury.

And encourage all other governments to do the same. That should focus their minds wonderfully in cleaning things up.
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Well what’s the solution without a vaccine or immunisation via antibodies / herd immunity (ie having had the disease and survived)?
That is very pertinent as a question. But there could be answer(s) just round the corner. I am not persuaded that any these suggested approaches are "The Answer" (they could be worse than what we are doing) but something just as usable might exist.

Vitamin C (high dose, intravenous)
Vitamin D (high dose - before getting ill)
Intravenous potassium permanganate
BCG vaccine

What we need immediately is a treatment for the worst affected - either to use on them, or to prevent them getting there.
 

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This side of a vaccine, nobody has the answer since it could return time and time again, anywhere.
they should tell the public that vaccines may not work for all people.
That'll soften them up to accept some fatalities.
 
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