Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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where the graphs look very different. The number of confirmed cases shows a significant leveling off over the past few days which is at odds with the data I’ve been scraping off the original site. Look at the graphs of confirmed cases at the UK Gov site and that from data collated by Johns Hopkins which can be found here:
they are the same data except that on the coronavirus.data.gov.uk site, the 3,000 odds NHS staff testing positive are removed from 10-Apr number.
 

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There is one thing reproducing faster than coronavirus, lies.

We have already covered what Helen Whately, the care minister, said in interviews on Sky News and BBC Breakfast (see 7.57am), but Whately had a tougher time when questioned by Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain. One of the issues on which they clashed was over the number of NHS workers who have died from coronavirus. Whately insisted the official figure was still 19. She said:

The data that has been reported to me of confirmed deaths of health workers is 19. We know that also some workers have died who work in social care and, I’ll be straight with you, we don’t have a figure for that.

Far more believable is this very sad page:

Memorial of Health & Social Care Workers taken by COVID-19
This is a digital tribute and memorial to the dedicated members of our health and social care family who gave their lives during the fight against Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19).
NursingNotes is committed to planting a new tree in a protected forest for every single health and social care worker who loses their lives because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

A total of 52 health and social care workers are known to have died from COVID-19.
https://nursingnotes.co.uk/covid-19-memorial/
 

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Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer says ministers should reveal this week how and when they plan to end the lockdown. He's live on LBC to speak to Nick Ferrari at 7.30am.
I'm far from being a Starmer fan and am disappointed he's Labour leader. This bit of stupidity shows why, of course the government cannot say when or how the lockdown will end when we haven't even hit the peak yet.
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flecc

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I’ve been following the COVID 19 data for the UK at


for a few weeks. This morning when I opened the site I got redirected to:


where the graphs look very different. The number of confirmed cases shows a significant leveling off over the past few days which is at odds with the data I’ve been scraping off the original site. Look at the graphs of confirmed cases at the UK Gov site and that from data collated by Johns Hopkins which can be found here:


Call me cynical but I smell something very fishy - I mean it couldn’t possibly be that our wonderfully competent Government lead by de Piffle The Lying Rat are manipulating the data.

Surely not.

#borislyingrat
#borishidingaway
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Different periods, the crude arc graph ends in March, the flattening is in April over the last few days.
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flecc

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An example of Profiteering
The breadmaker is out of stock, £99 on makers web site
Supply and demand, it's always been the same. My car at launch in 2018 immediately had a long waiting list, so some dealers were selling at up to £3 k over list to those too wealthy to be patient. I just waited six months and got a £1k discount off list.
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sjpt

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they are the same data except that on the coronavirus.data.gov.uk site, the 3,000 odds NHS staff testing positive are removed from 10-Apr number.
They emphasise that they are prioritising testing of NHS staff, they are not still testing very much overall, and only counting actual tested cases. Removing the 3,000 seems an absurd distortion of the already limited facts/stats.
 

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The important thing when leading a Rout from the rear is to be consistent
"Thousands of letters warning people with underlying health conditions to stay at home during the coronavirus pandemic were sent to the wrong addresses.
If it wasn't tragic it would be funny

More than ten thousand people with underlying health conditions in Wales failed to receive a letter warning them to stay at home after they were sent to the wrong address.

Reports suggest 13,000 letters from the Chief Medical Officer of Wales were sent to the wrong address and instead sent to the intended recipients previous address.
I've only just recieved this morning a vague text mssg from my surgery saying to stay in and to rely on friends, family or community for nosh...
 
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oldgroaner

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On Apple news (From the Telegraph)

Regarding easing the lockdown

A cabinet minister suggested that the ultimate decision would lie with Mr Johnson, who is currently convalescing at Chequers.
"The Prime Minister is almost in the perfect position of being at Chequers and not at Downing Street so he can direct things and say what he wants without having to sit through boring meetings he has little patience for. He can focus on quality rather than quality.

In other words the bloody stupid pratt can make the wrong decisions without taking notice of any one else.

For all our sakes Boris has to go before he turns what thanks to him is already into a disaster into the worst calamity that has ever hit us, rivaling even the Black Death.

At the moment there are the first signs of a hope that things going in the right direction, the last thing we need is the chief idiot turning what could be a victory into a resounding defeat.
 
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sjpt

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I have both! :)

And some bread in the freezer.

And spelt flour.
We've got yeast and flour for about a week; already having to increase the proportion of white. I think there is bread in the shops.

I wonder if the increased use of flour is (a) people who always used breadmakers hoarding, (b) people with breadmakers they didn't use starting to use them, (c) people buying new breadmakers, or (most unlikely d) people making bread without using a breadmaker. Maybe (d) is not so unlikely in a lockdown; the main advantage of a breadmaker is not needing to be home at specific times to mind the bread, which isn't so much an issue if you are locked down.

We used to do little shops every day or every other day. Can manage weekly but I don't think I can get my mind round much more than that. Our freezer is very small and very full.
 
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oldgroaner

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I've only just recieved this morning a vague text mssg from my surgery saying to stay in and to rely on friends, family or community for nosh...
Since we live in a virtual age, here is my contribution
Have a virtual sandwich on me

That should keep the flesh on yer bones laddie!
 

flecc

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I've only just recieved this morning a vague text mssg from my surgery saying to stay in and to rely on friends, family or community for nosh...
Text back, "Too late, I'm dead". ;)
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flecc

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We've got yeast and flour for about a week; already having to increase the proportion of white. I think there is bread in the shops.

I wonder if the increased use of flour is (a) people who always used breadmakers hoarding, (b) people with breadmakers they didn't use starting to use them, (c) people buying new breadmakers, or (most unlikely d) people making bread without using a breadmaker. Maybe (d) is not so unlikely in a lockdown; the main advantage of a breadmaker is not needing to be home at specific times to mind the bread, which isn't so much an issue if you are locked down.

We used to do little shops every day or every other day. Can manage weekly but I don't think I can get my mind round much more than that. Our freezer is very small and very full.
I don't have a breadmaker so have always been (d) when I've made bread. I always have bread flour and dried yeast in stock so didn't have to buy any for this crisis. At present though I'm on the supermarket's bread from my freezer, and the supermarket has seemed to always have bread anyway, even when not much else.
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Barry Shittpeas

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Why are we having to fly extra labour into the U.K. to perform crop picking for us? This is a work environment where it is possible to socially distance and is carried out in a safer environment than a warehouse, for example.

People have saddled themselves with debt, much of it unnecessary debt, so isn’t this a perfect opportunity for them to service the responsibility of that voluntary debt? This seems a better option, particularly for single young people, than furlough.
 

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Why are we having to fly extra labour into the U.K. to perform crop picking for us? This is a work environment where it is possible to socially distance and is carried out in a safer environment than a warehouse, for example.

People have saddled themselves with debt, much of it unnecessary debt, so isn’t this a perfect opportunity for them to service the responsibility of that voluntary debt? This seems a better option, particularly for single young people, than furlough.
Fine if there are enough local people. Social distancing will be difficult in any accommodation likely to be available for non-locals.

I was about to edit and Barry got there first ... the same applies whereever the non-locals come from.
 
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