Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

You know.

I’m really starting to think this really isn’t worth it.

I’m not saying I’m changing my mind because I do believe we are better out of the EU, but what we are looking at is literally the whole of the EU against us and nearly 50% of this country against making it work.

Had we gone for this I am one hundred percent sure we would be doing the right thing. But we have so many Lord Haw Haws working against the democratic vote. Couple that with the weakest political leaders in the history of our country...Eden says hello. But Swinson and Corbyn.....Farage....

Cummins seems bright but I don’t trust him. He’s not my flavour. We have nothing. And when Trump is on your side...I despair.

I truly believe it’s right to stop the federalists. And to protect the cowed. But at what price?

They have us by the balls. We were never going to be allowed to leave.

 

[Fingers]

mnm


Goodbye Spurs, hello St Neots Town FC.

Non league division one will be some change!

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I am aware of them. When we first looked at St Neots 8 or so years ago they were there in Love Farm. At that time it was building site. A primary school and a football team.

I will support them but I will always be Spurs. One of the reasons this works for me is the fact I can be there in an hour. Work too of course.

It’s important my boy and unborn daughter grow up like I did. Countryside and no threat.

My life will be harder but isn’t that what we are meant to do? The older I get the more I respect my parents.

I can only hope my progeny are the same.

 

[Woosh]

You know.

I’m really starting to think this really isn’t worth it.

I’m not saying I’m changing my mind because I do believe we are better out of the EU, but what we are looking at is literally the whole of the EU against us and nearly 50% of this country against making it work.

Had we gone for this I am one hundred percent sure we would be doing the right thing. But we have so many Lord Haw Haws working against the democratic vote. Couple that with the weakest political leaders in the history of our country...Eden says hello. But Swinson and Corbyn.....Farage....

Cummins seems bright but I don’t trust him. He’s not my flavour. We have nothing. And when Trump is on your side...I despair.

I truly believe it’s right to stop the federalists. And to protect the cowed. But at what price?

They have us by the balls. We were never going to be allowed to leave.

we can leave slowly. It's the WTO proponents that makes brexit such a mess.
We start with EFTA membership as an implementation period for a few years, then negotiate a comprehensive FTA with the EU. Then negotiate with our next most important partner, the USA.

 

[oldgroaner]

You know.

I’m really starting to think this really isn’t worth it.

I’m not saying I’m changing my mind because I do believe we are better out of the EU, but what we are looking at is literally the whole of the EU against us and nearly 50% of this country against making it work.

Had we gone for this I am one hundred percent sure we would be doing the right thing. But we have so many Lord Haw Haws working against the democratic vote. Couple that with the weakest political leaders in the history of our country...Eden says hello. But Swinson and Corbyn.....Farage....

Cummins seems bright but I don’t trust him. He’s not my flavour. We have nothing. And when Trump is on your side...I despair.

I truly believe it’s right to stop the federalists. And to protect the cowed. But at what price?

They have us by the balls. We were never going to be allowed to leave.

Oh dear, not again blaming others when your side has ballsed up the job.
The EU is not against us just sticking up up for rules we were party to making to protect the rights of its remaining member states
I France was the leaving state and we were not we would insist on exactly what is happening as right and proper.
50% of this country are NOT against making it work
Experience of the past tells us it didn't before and there is no reason to assume it will now as the world and the odds of success are not in our favour, and as you point out the politicians now in charge couldn't run a Whelk stall at the seaside.
Why did you trust them in the first place?

By the way the people of Scotland are wondering about the virtues of a federal state too, the independence referendum was only lost because the English government threatened them with loss of EU membership if they became independent.
What can they threaten them with now?

If they were offered another independence referendum the same self destructive urge that produced Brexit is liable to cost the UK Scotland too, and then we are further diminished to the point of insignificance on the world stage.
A one time powerful federation that went to pieces.

 

[Woosh]

50% of this country are NOT against making it work

brexit would not be a mess if one of these conditions were not true:

- donors with huge interest in replacing the EU with the USA
- minority conservative government
- well organised hard core brexiteers in the ERG
- our leader of the opposition has such a poor intellect
- rise of populism

 

[Zlatan]

You know.

I’m really starting to think this really isn’t worth it.

I’m not saying I’m changing my mind because I do believe we are better out of the EU, but what we are looking at is literally the whole of the EU against us and nearly 50% of this country against making it work.

Had we gone for this I am one hundred percent sure we would be doing the right thing. But we have so many Lord Haw Haws working against the democratic vote. Couple that with the weakest political leaders in the history of our country...Eden says hello. But Swinson and Corbyn.....Farage....

Cummins seems bright but I don’t trust him. He’s not my flavour. We have nothing. And when Trump is on your side...I despair.

I truly believe it’s right to stop the federalists. And to protect the cowed. But at what price?

They have us by the balls. We were never going to be allowed to leave.

That sums up my feelings pretty well too. Whole episode has made me despair at people,and if anything made me less interested in politics. Whats the point?

 

[oyster]

The only way of stopping brexit continuing to dominate is to remain. Post-brexit will continue for many years and with possibly as much, if not more, rancour than we currently see.

Once the UK is out, however, those negotiations become far harder, with unanimous agreement from all member states and ratification by their parliaments almost certainly required for the kind of deal we will be seeking to secure. All this against the background of considerable political acrimony, both within the UK and between the UK and the EU27. Remember, there will be significant economic dislocation on both sides of the Channel, and politicians will be keen to attribute blame. Meanwhile, we are likely to see mounting tensions in Northern Ireland, and quite possibly the return of direct rule.

Emerging from no deal will, in other words, be extremely difficult, intensely time-consuming and politically fraught. And all the while, trade with the EU will continue to be hit by tariffs and checks. Those hoping for an early denouement to the Brexit saga are likely to be sorely disappointed. No deal will just be the start.

• Anand Menon is is director of The UK in a Changing Europe, and professor of European politics and foreign affairs at King’s College London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/03/no-deal-brexit-crashing-out-uk-europe

 

[oyster]

Oh dear, not again blaming others when your side has ballsed up the job.
The EU is not against us just sticking up up for rules we were party to making to protect the rights of its remaining member states
I France was the leaving state and we were not we would insist on exactly what is happening as right and proper.
50% of this country are NOT against making it work
Experience of the past tells us it didn't before and there is no reason to assume it will now as the world and the odds of success are not in our favour, and as you point out the politicians now in charge couldn't run a Whelk stall at the seaside.
Why did you trust them in the first place?

By the way the people of Scotland are wondering about the virtues of a federal state too, the independence referendum was only lost because the English government threatened them with loss of EU membership if they became independent.
What can they threaten them with now?

If they were offered another independence referendum the same self destructive urge that produced Brexit is liable to cost the UK Scotland too, and then we are further diminished to the point of insignificance on the world stage.
A one time powerful federation that went to pieces.

I would not be in the least surprised if Plain Cymru and Welsh independence also start to be much discussed. Even if only by minorities for the foreseeable future. Probably even more difficult to achieve sensibly than Scotland leaving the union. But it will have repercussions.

 

[Nev]

The only way of stopping brexit continuing to dominate is to remain. Post-brexit will continue for many years and with possibly as much, if not more, rancour than we currently see.

Once the UK is out, however, those negotiations become far harder, with unanimous agreement from all member states and ratification by their parliaments almost certainly required for the kind of deal we will be seeking to secure. All this against the background of considerable political acrimony, both within the UK and between the UK and the EU27. Remember, there will be significant economic dislocation on both sides of the Channel, and politicians will be keen to attribute blame. Meanwhile, we are likely to see mounting tensions in Northern Ireland, and quite possibly the return of direct rule.

Emerging from no deal will, in other words, be extremely difficult, intensely time-consuming and politically fraught. And all the while, trade with the EU will continue to be hit by tariffs and checks. Those hoping for an early denouement to the Brexit saga are likely to be sorely disappointed. No deal will just be the start.

• Anand Menon is is director of The UK in a Changing Europe, and professor of European politics and foreign affairs at King’s College London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/03/no-deal-brexit-crashing-out-uk-europe

I like Anand Menon I saw him on Question Time a few months ago and once or twice since on other programmes and he always talks sense and is far more honest than most of the politicians I see on the TV.

 

[Woosh]

Emerging from no deal will, in other words, be extremely difficult, intensely time-consuming and politically fraught. And all the while, trade with the EU will continue to be hit by tariffs and checks. Those hoping for an early denouement to the Brexit saga are likely to be sorely disappointed. No deal will just be the start.

we should be under no illusion that it will be easier to rejoin than to get a new comprehensive FTA (Canada+) with the EU. That's what the EU27 would wish for anyway.
Their position is clear after the referendum, you are either in or WTO out. They don't want a junior Donald Trump in their backyard.

 

[50Hertz]

You know.

I’m really starting to think this really isn’t worth it.

I’m not saying I’m changing my mind because I do believe we are better out of the EU, but what we are looking at is literally the whole of the EU against us and nearly 50% of this country against making it work.

Had we gone for this I am one hundred percent sure we would be doing the right thing. But we have so many Lord Haw Haws working against the democratic vote. Couple that with the weakest political leaders in the history of our country...Eden says hello. But Swinson and Corbyn.....Farage....

Cummins seems bright but I don’t trust him. He’s not my flavour. We have nothing. And when Trump is on your side...I despair.

I truly believe it’s right to stop the federalists. And to protect the cowed. But at what price?

They have us by the balls. We were never going to be allowed to leave.

The U.K. has become weak over the past decades. We have very few avenues left to generate new wealth, we just push internal money around skimming off commissions. Crazy and unsustainable. Add to this, people have got themselves into huge amounts of personal debt. As a result, the U.K. has no resilience to weather the sudden change to a no deal Brexit. We are a nation of credit junkies with no wealth generation base.

I don’t like the idea, but we have sold our souls to the EU over the past decades and have frittered the money away on crap.

 

[Wicky]

They have us by the balls. We were never going to be allowed to leave.

 

[oldgroaner]

How interesting

Why bother when they can frighten parliament into accepting May's deal?
Suit a lazy blighter like Boris much better

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/02/no-deal-brexit-looms-leak-reveals-dominic-cummings-considers/
No-deal Brexit looms as leak reveals Dominic Cummings considers EU negotiations a 'sham'

My view
With a no-deal/hard Brexit they all steer clear of the new EU money laundering/tax avoidance rules - there's nothing else to it.

 

[oldgroaner]

The real reason for Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/23/uk-eu-laws-terrorism-money-laundering-margaret-hodge
UK to adopt EU laws on combating terrorism and money laundering


This article is more than 1 year old

Letter to MP Margaret Hodge confirms decision on fifth anti-money laundering directive

They have been afraid ever since

 

[oldgroaner]

The man who isn't bothering to negotiate a deal complains about having the none existent legs cut from under him in negotiations he cant be arsed to carry out. and the EU have kicked out anyway.

What an idiot, we deserve better. give the job to Larry the Cat.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1168574736139468800

This is comedy noir

 

[Wicky]

From everything I've seen or read - EU are waiting for any serious negotiations from our end.

Clearly even with the limited time since he became PM before Summer recess he's done FA apart from demanding EU accede to dropping the backstop. It's again just about about keeping Tory party in power by doing Farage's & ERG dirty work.

 

[Woosh]

The man who isn't bothering to negotiate a deal complains about having the none existent legs cut from under him in negotiations ha cant be arsed to carry out. and the EU have kicked out anyway.
What an idiot

it's a tried and tested strategy. It's been seen a lot of times in the media, I believe it's called 'alternative truths'.
you accuse the opposition precisely what they are going to accuse you of.
If you get in first, you will stand a good chance of winning the point, most people will be confused about who it is to be blamed.

 

[flecc]

You know.

I’m really starting to think this really isn’t worth it.

I’m not saying I’m changing my mind because I do believe we are better out of the EU, but what we are looking at is literally the whole of the EU against us and nearly 50% of this country against making it work.

Had we gone for this I am one hundred percent sure we would be doing the right thing. But we have so many Lord Haw Haws working against the democratic vote. Couple that with the weakest political leaders in the history of our country...Eden says hello. But Swinson and Corbyn.....Farage....

Cummins seems bright but I don’t trust him. He’s not my flavour. We have nothing. And when Trump is on your side...I despair.

I truly believe it’s right to stop the federalists. And to protect the cowed. But at what price?

They have us by the balls. We were never going to be allowed to leave.

It was never going to work anyway, no matter what we will fail outside of the EU. That is an absolute.

As I've posted before, we've gone about leaving in entirely the wrong way, plunging into it with no preparation, just like jumping off a boat a couple of miles out to sea before learning to swim.

I am not in principle against leaving the EU, but as with embarking on anything so complex, planning and preparation are everything.

The right way to go about leaving was for a party, presumably the Tories, to have a general election manifesto with the intention to start preparations to leave the EU, acknowledging that this would take considerable time.

Then when elected, and they would be, to go all out to develop our world wide trade under the WTO terms while reducing our EU dependence. If we are good enough that is perfectly possible while in the EU, as Germany and several other EU members demonstrate so well.

Then if successful X years later, hand in article 50. If not successful, forget it and work co-operatively within the EU to make that organisation as good as possible.
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[Woosh]

From everything I've seen or read - EU are waiting for any serious negotiations from our end.

Clearly even with the limited time since he became PM before Summer recess he's done FA apart from demanding EU accede to dropping the backstop. It's again just about about keeping Tory party in power by doing Farage's & ERG dirty work.

his problem is not as much the backstop as Farage and the ERG, both do not want a deal in any shape or form.
That's why I think if BJ wins big at the next GE, he would get a deal.

 

[Woosh]

the Pound hits 34 year low.
Somebody is making a lot of money at the expense of all of us.
House price collapses next.