We ended up here precisely because Boris Johnson put personal ambition before country and party and at any cost.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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The warning signs were there for all to see, but even now, I doubt some will want see them.
Good old Mogg! this stirring piece of imitation toff arrogance was cited as the straw that broke the camel's back of the MP who crossed the floor to the liberals
He insulted a member of the Royal College of Physicians working FOR the Government. on the Yellowhammer report.
He insulted a member of the Royal College of Physicians working FOR the Government. on the Yellowhammer report.
how? because many of the 17.4 millions who voted for brexit believe that the tories the right party to deliver brexit and made them the governing party.
I've never voted Tory in my life. And I am not alone in that.
I would say it was 50 percent spread
Speaking of JRM (as we rather unfortunately seem destined to do):
Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, is speaking for the government.
He says people voted to leave the EU. MPs must respect that decision.
He says today’s procedure is constitutionally irregular.
(He is referring to the fact that John Bercow, the Speaker, is allowing an SO24 emergency debate to pass a motion giving MPs control of the order paper tomorrow. In the past they have always been used for neutral motions with no practical effect. Earlier this year Bercow indicated that he was willing to allow the procedure to be used to creatively than it was in the past.)
He says this motion risks subverting parliament’s role in scrutinising the executive.
He has a very different way of viewing things to me. Isn't proroguing and attempting to batter their own party members into submission more of a threat to parliament's ability to scrutinise the executive? I ask you, if HoC ain't sitting and the members will get the sack for piping up, what sort of meaningful scrutiny can be expected?
Happy for you to visit here but going by your previous post you don't know where "here" is.
Hard to find much to disagree with...
barney10 16m ago
"Remaining in the European Union would be a boon for the world and for Europe"
"This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms,"
"The membership fee seems rather small for all that access."
"Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?"
Boris Johnson expressed all the above opinions in an unpublished Remain-backing article only two days before shocking David Cameron by revealing he would be campaigning for Brexit.
But in the pro-EU article, revealed in a new book and published in The Sunday Times, he supported membership of the free trade zone.
Sources close to Mr Johnson said he wrote the article for the sole purpose of trying to articulate in his mind whether there was any merit in the Remain argument and dismissed it out of hand as soon as he finished. Oh really? Of course he did.
Apart from the device to appeal to the hard right of the Tory party and challenge a wilting David Cameron for his job, Johnson realised something else, mixed motives were in play. He knew from years of experience that lying is easier than telling the truth. Not much courage is need to stand behind a lie. You don't get crucified for that, but many great people have been crucified for standing up to their true beliefs.
Johnson calls for a damaging no-deal Brexit when he believes that remaining in the EU is "a boon for the world and for the Europe".
But to stand up for something that important requires more courage than Johnson could ever summon, so he enthusiacally takes the easy route of the running dog for his advisors and their media masters, the self-serving establishment and the corporations he is too cowardly to oppose, by the lack of virtue, faint-heartedness disguised by bluster, fear of truth and honesty and a warped view of morality. Being bereft of convictions he can wriggle out of being accountable for having them. That's our Prime Minister, a dissembling, pusillanimous opportunist posing with a ****-poor pretence of Churchillian grandeur.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/sep/03/steve-bell-on-rebel-mps-attacking-boris-johnson-cartoon
barney10 16m ago
"Remaining in the European Union would be a boon for the world and for Europe"
"This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms,"
"The membership fee seems rather small for all that access."
"Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?"
Boris Johnson expressed all the above opinions in an unpublished Remain-backing article only two days before shocking David Cameron by revealing he would be campaigning for Brexit.
But in the pro-EU article, revealed in a new book and published in The Sunday Times, he supported membership of the free trade zone.
Sources close to Mr Johnson said he wrote the article for the sole purpose of trying to articulate in his mind whether there was any merit in the Remain argument and dismissed it out of hand as soon as he finished. Oh really? Of course he did.
Apart from the device to appeal to the hard right of the Tory party and challenge a wilting David Cameron for his job, Johnson realised something else, mixed motives were in play. He knew from years of experience that lying is easier than telling the truth. Not much courage is need to stand behind a lie. You don't get crucified for that, but many great people have been crucified for standing up to their true beliefs.
Johnson calls for a damaging no-deal Brexit when he believes that remaining in the EU is "a boon for the world and for the Europe".
But to stand up for something that important requires more courage than Johnson could ever summon, so he enthusiacally takes the easy route of the running dog for his advisors and their media masters, the self-serving establishment and the corporations he is too cowardly to oppose, by the lack of virtue, faint-heartedness disguised by bluster, fear of truth and honesty and a warped view of morality. Being bereft of convictions he can wriggle out of being accountable for having them. That's our Prime Minister, a dissembling, pusillanimous opportunist posing with a ****-poor pretence of Churchillian grandeur.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/sep/03/steve-bell-on-rebel-mps-attacking-boris-johnson-cartoon
The referendum did not bind the Government and specifically stated that fact
Johnson is simply following the prompting of Cummings in the course of action he is taking and watching the HOC tonight is making a bigger hash than usual
We now have Kings College forecasting an 8% fall in GDP over the next 35 years! in the case of a no deal Brexit..
If it wasn't tragic it would be slapstick comedy.
We need Brexit putting down and a return to reality.
Farage just said if Boris goes for a No deal his party will support him in an election, but if Boris tries for a deal he will fight him all the way.
They are simply saboteurs working against the best interests of the people while pretending to represent them
The other day, when he was blustering defence of proroguing, he repeated "Ample time" three times. Just like someone who has been rehearsed and rehearsed. Whatever else you say, spit out the words "ample time".