Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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I agree to a point. And its lovely that were all trying to get along and be more human. But there is a difference between, say, investing in tesla and not being sure where the share price will be in a years time and blowing ones head off with a sawn off shotgun because no one could prove in advance that one wouldnt miraculously escape, if you get my drift?
Sure Jonathan. Sure. Which is how come I put 'facts' in inverted commas in that post of mine. So I get your point.
 

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I like this post. Even though I still believe we could prosper ourside EU I can understand its a massive leap of faith and probably not one worth taking. None of that was made clear at our referendum and we were offered something nobody had actually planned on carrying out. So I get it. Personally, I, d take the risk. But, I see how that is probably unfair, especially so when its probably the case that only a minority now would.
I still blame Labour/Corbyn for not representing Remain at last GE. Had he done so, we would know exactly where country stands and not being pulled either one way or another by a minority.
Good post JA.
That's very kind of you but (and I have a hunch og will say the same in a moment) while labour under corbyn is a lamentable excuse for an opposition, one could have done some due diligence before the referendum on the kind of spectacular promises and misplaced blame farage, boris etc sprouted.
 
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Note - boys and girls - this is the attitude that had 'Remain' lose. That condescending 'we're better than you' attitude. Easy to spot in this guy because he reveals it in almost every post.
You know what is really funny?

50Hertz voted to Leave the EU in the referendum.

Now what do you think of that?
What becomes of

"Note - boys and girls - this is the attitude that had 'Remain' lose. That condescending 'we're better than you' attitude. Easy to spot in this guy because he reveals it in almost every post.

Sorry OJ you are attacking someone who was once on your side when it mattered.
He reconsidered after events proved it had been a mistake

That takes guts and good judgement, what is your excuse for not doing so?
Let me see what was it, you wanted local politicians to make decisions for local people?

I have news for you, I am a local European, and I want local politicians in the EU to make decisions for me, not Russians or Americans thousands of miles away
 
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oldgroaner

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Note - boys and girls - this is the attitude that had 'Remain' lose. That condescending 'we're better than you' attitude. Easy to spot in this guy because he reveals it in almost every post.
How clever of you to backdate Gove's claim, that started that nonsense after the referendum .to a time preceding it
Like you he tends to make things up to suit himself, for instance when asked about his involvement in the Leave camp illegal acts managed to both be in charge and lead it, but know anything of how it ran day to day when questions were asked about the dark money.
 
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Ooh nasty looking little buggers.

I’ve never heard of them called Capricorns either. I just assumed it was another tale from de auld country.
As so often happens with English names in entymology, this Capricorn name is applied to more than one xylophageous species, in this case most commonly these two:

Cerambyx cerdo, the beetle larvae that Zlatan illustrated above and which Danidl describes.

Xestobium rufovillosum, the Death Watch Beetle.

However beetle larvae can be surprisingly similar in appearance over a wide range of differing species, and both of the above have noisy wood eating characteristics.

Even the larva of the common woodworm, Anobium punctatum is very similar, albeit on a smaller scale.
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oldgroaner

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Slightly more than a few, more like 60 million, and live in a country beginning with F.
I was his biggest fan, disagreed with just about everything he said and did, but loved his style and barbaric sense of humour.
You simply can't get a classier sparring partner than him among these lack lustre quitlings we attract here these days.
Those were the halcyon days on this thread now we are more or less on the same side, the elastic has gone out of my bungee... :(
 
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I was his biggest fan, disagreed with just about everything he said and did, but loved his style and barbaric sense of humour.
You simply can't get a classier sparring partner than him among these lack lustre quitlings we attract here these days.
Those were the halcyon days on this thread now we are more or less on the same side, the elastic has gone out of my bungee... :(
Your elastic snapped years ago..
 

oldgroaner

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I like this post. Even though I still believe we could prosper ourside EU I can understand its a massive leap of faith and probably not one worth taking. None of that was made clear at our referendum and we were offered something nobody had actually planned on carrying out. So I get it. Personally, I, d take the risk. But, I see how that is probably unfair, especially so when its probably the case that only a minority now would.
I still blame Labour/Corbyn for not representing Remain at last GE. Had he done so, we would know exactly where country stands and not being pulled either one way or another by a minority.
Good post JA.
Steady lad! this isn't like you to throw a wobbler on the finish straight !
Where is that Kamikaze spirit of yesterday

The leave win for Brexit is pretty much summed up in this historical story

As the overseer at the Colloseum said in days of yore when viewing the annual accounts

" I told you it was a fundamental mistake to starve the Christians, now look what they've done!
Have you any idea how much replacement lions will cost?"
 
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Zlatan

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Steady lad! this isn't like you to throw a wobbler on the finish straight !
Where is that Kamikaze spirit of yesterday

The leave win for Brexit is pretty much summed up in this historical story

As the overseer at the Colloseum said in days of yore when viewing the annual accounts

" I told you it was a fundamental mistake to starve the Christians, now look what they've done!
Have you any idea how much replacement lions will cost?"
Dont worry OG, its a concept you, d struggle to understand. Its called compromise, ability to see things from others' standpoints and modify your own.
 
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As so often happens with English names in entymology, this Capricorn name is applied to more than one xylophageous species, in this case most commonly these two:

Cerambyx cerdo, the beetle larvae that Zlatan illustrated above and which Danidl describes.

Xestobium rufovillosum, the Death Watch Beetle.

However beetle larvae can be surprisingly similar in appearance over a wide range of differing species, and both of the above have noisy wood eating characteristics.

Even the larva of the common woodworm, Anobium punctatum is very similar, albeit on a smaller scale.
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Thank you for that flecc, very erudite as always.
Apart from causing finger's fertile imagination from blowing a fuse for a suitable response
I shall rest easier in my bed knowing it has a metal frame :oops:
 
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oldgroaner

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Dont worry OG, its a concept you, d struggle to understand. Its called compromise, ability to see things from others' standpoints and modify your own.
I understand compromise completely,
and if I ever feel the urge come over me to compromise be assured I won't hesitate to do so.
Usually however I prefer to make correct choices in the first place after due consideration of the problem, as I am not by nature a "betting" man.

I do see your viewpoints very clearly indeed, and while mine is relatively constant it does lack the entertaining qualities your viewpoint has for being as changeable as the weather
 
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Zlatan

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I understand compromise completely,
and if I ever feel the urge come over me to compromise be assured I won't hesitate to do so.
Usually however I prefer to make correct choices in the first place after due consideration of the problem, as I am not by nature a "betting" man.

I do see your viewpoints very clearly indeed, and while mine is relatively constant it does lack the entertaining qualities your viewpoint has for being as changeable as the weather
Weather in Hull must replicate the Sahara these days... My preference of leaving has been constant throughout, my feelings have felt for sake of compromise and unity we should "probably" remain. Not sure how that can be interpreted as changeable but hyperbole is a common problem with your ramblings.
 

oldgroaner

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Weather in Hull must replicate the Sahara these days... My preference of leaving has been constant throughout, my feelings have felt for sake of compromise and unity we should "probably" remain. Not sure how that can be interpreted as changeable but hyperbole is a common problem with your ramblings.
I distinctly remember you changing sides at one point and even earlier claiming you hadn't voted too, do I have to dig out the relative posts? and there's more where that came from.
I do have a very reliable memory and I can always prove my assertions , or I don't make them.
Shall I indulge myself and go and look? or spare your blushes?
 
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