Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

You really are on drugs. They were all exactly as I described .. I have believed in Brexit throughout and still do but for a few reasons, already explained, would vote (probably) to remain.

Sorry, OG, I havent the time or inclination to waste more time with you. This is definitely my last response to you. I dont know how you pass your time but you must have hours and hours every day to throw away to spend so much of your life on this thread. Its such a shame.

Actually you were quite positive in that post "if we had ref2 I,d now vote remain. "
Where is the word probably?
Zlatan, you really are your own worst enemy, you stick your neck out to make too tempting a target, and in fact you are wasting my time, not the other way round.
We had a truce but you couldn't keep it, so I responded.
What did you expect?
Me to meekly let you trample all over me?
Sorry. I love optimism but that is going too far. You really see your posts in a very different way, don't you?
See you around , or not? that's up to you. Have a nice day, you've already cheered mine up.

 

[Danidl]

We're now supposed to listen to Varadkar? Huh?

No you are not supposed to do anything....We are not telling you to do anything,,However for a country which is walking away from reality,it sometimes helps to listen to what your FRIENDS are saying.. Obviously your own party leaders and your next PM, have not yet got that message. There will be no further extensions,in order to assist the UK . I can see the headlines in your popular papers.." EU instructs UK to hold GE or referendum"
Dutch PM Rugge ,has spelt it out very clearly, not subtly, but very clear,what the current path entails

 

[oldgroaner]

You are a 'European'. Sure. OK. If you say so. I think the polling shows that around 7% of the UK population identify as that. The lowest of any EU member.

Which evidences an appaling level of ignorancy of both History and Geography

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Daily Mail, this is what you can expect from a Tory Minister

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7164651/Climate-change-protesters-interrupt-Philip-Hammonds-speech-annual-London-dinner.html
Tory MP Mark Field faces Westminster probe
and calls to resign after forcefully grabbing protester and ejecting her from dinner for City grandees as Greenpeace disrupts Chancellor's speech
The accompanying video should result in court action
What kind of a man treats any woman in that fashion?
He should be banned for life from holding pubic office

 

[gray198]

Just why...
Would anyone want to be tory leader? What a lovely bunch.

Mark Field: police receive reports of assault after minister grabs climate protester

Calls for Mark Field to resign over Mansion House incident while another Tory MP reports abusive messages from party colleague


which continues with:

Also on Thursday night, Sandbach posted an image on social media of messages she said were from a colleague and suggested that similar abuse had been behind the decisions of three female former Tory MPs to leave the Conservative party.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/20/greenpeace-activists-target-philip-hammond-speech-in-climate-protest

what a pathetic reaction. The climate change terrorists think they can do just what they want and they don't like it when someone challenges them. It is a case of you can't win whatever you do. All these female politicians saying he should be fired. Who knows who she was. May have had a violent agenda, disguised in a red dress. Nobody can be taken at face value. We have seen in this country innocent looking people doing horrendous things. Predictably Labour is calling for his head, the same party who ejected an old man from their party conference for heckling. Bunch of hypocrites. I know who I would want beside me in a crisis and it wouldn't be Jess Phillips or any of Corbyns hypocrites

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I like this post. Even though I still believe we could prosper ourside EU I can understand its a massive leap of faith and probably not one worth taking. None of that was made clear at our referendum and we were offered something nobody had actually planned on carrying out. So I get it. Personally, I, d take the risk. But, I see how that is probably unfair, especially so when its probably the case that only a minority now would.
I still blame Labour/Corbyn for not representing Remain at last GE. Had he done so, we would know exactly where country stands and not being pulled either one way or another by a minority.
Good post JA.

But be honest. That's more an excuse for transferring responsibility for the decision to brexit to labour/corbyn than compromise. Fundamentally it remains the responsibility of its proponents - boris etc - and those taken in by them (as now, again). On the plus side youre admitting it was a mistake. Unlike fingers Im buoyed by the prospect of boris as pm. He will **** up catastrophically, quickly, as when foreign secretary, discredit the tories, brexit more and further fuel the swing to remain. I like rs much more, but he may actually have found a soft brexit

 

[50Hertz]

Just why...
Would anyone want to be tory leader? What a lovely bunch.

Mark Field: police receive reports of assault after minister grabs climate protester

Calls for Mark Field to resign over Mansion House incident while another Tory MP reports abusive messages from party colleague


which continues with:

Also on Thursday night, Sandbach posted an image on social media of messages she said were from a colleague and suggested that similar abuse had been behind the decisions of three female former Tory MPs to leave the Conservative party.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/20/greenpeace-activists-target-philip-hammond-speech-in-climate-protest

I think Mark Field’s action was spot on. That idiot woman is lucky she isn’t nursing a broken nose.

In today’s world of terror threats, assaults on political figures and criminal damage to public buildings, the woman could have been intent on any type of serious harm to a large number of people. Unfortunately, you can’t undertake a forensic investigation and dissection of events at the time. You must act as you perceive the threat, and that is what Field did. All the should’ve squad (should’ve done this, should’ve done that) members who are criticising Field, with the benefit of hindsight, are fools and can be disregarded as being irrelevant.

The most disappointing aspect of the whole incident is the fact that Mark Field has apologised and the idiot woman is being given a voice. Why? She should be clutching a charge sheet for a Public Order offence.

 

[gray198]

We are also supposed to listen to Jesus, Buddha, the prophet, or whoever else.

Or are we supposed to confine our listing to those with UK passports?

he is not important

 

[gray198]

we have to listen to him.
he holds the key to the door.

knock the door down

 

[OxygenJames]

You can't beat the fascist principle of justice
"The correct amount of suppresion solves any problem
The plebs need an example to keep them in their place"
"Welcome to Brexit Britain
part of the MAGA Family of corporate enterprises"

It's the protestors who are the fascists! Doh!

 

[gray198]

I think Mark Field’s action was spot on. That idiot woman is lucky she isn’t nursing a broken nose.

In today’s world of terror threats, assaults on political figures and criminal damage to public buildings, the woman could have been intent on any type of serious harm to a large number of people. Unfortunately, you can’t undertake a forensic investigation and dissection of events at the time. You must act as you perceive the threat, and that is what Field did. All the should’ve squad (should’ve done this, should’ve done that) members who are criticising Field, with the benefit of hindsight are fools and can be disregarded as being irrelevant.

The most disappointing aspect of the whole incident is the fact that Mark Field has apologised and the idiot woman is being given a voice. Why? She should be clutching a charge sheet for a Public Order offence.

that's a bit hasty. They should have had a risk assessment???

 

[OxygenJames]

No you are not supposed to do anything....We are not telling you to do anything,,However for a country which is walking away from reality,

'reality' - as defined by........ you!

 

[oldgroaner]

And here is a case where restraining raving lunatic leaders is now custom and parctice in the so called Democratic Nations
Again from the DM
"
Donald's U-turn: President Trump 'approved military strike against Iran in retaliation for downing US drone but PULLED BACK at last minute - against the advice of aides - as planes were in air and battleships in position'

The worrying part is "against the advice of aides"
These aides are as dangerous as he is, and we have Boris who would back the USA up

 

[oldgroaner]

'reality' - as defined by........ you!

better than as defined by the Fifth Column in Tufton Street!

 

[50Hertz]

If Field were so totally innocent, he would not have apologised.

In a statement, he apologised to the woman and said he would refer himself to the Cabinet Office over the incident.

Two wrongs do not make a right?

Do you want someone without sufficient self-control to be a minister?

I suspect he apologised due to bullying by the wailing, screeching & menstrual raging, #metoo bandwagon riders.

She needs to think herself lucky that she wasn’t beaten to the ground with a leg from the banqueting table.

 

[oldgroaner]

what a pathetic reaction. The climate change terrorists think they can do just what they want and they don't like it when someone challenges them. It is a case of you can't win whatever you do. All these female politicians saying he should be fired. Who knows who she was. May have had a violent agenda, disguised in a red dress. Nobody can be taken at face value. We have seen in this country innocent looking people doing horrendous things. Predictably Labour is calling for his head, the same party who ejected an old man from their party conference for heckling. Bunch of hypocrites. I know who I would want beside me in a crisis and it wouldn't be Jess Phillips or any of Corbyns hypocrites

Indeed you have made a pathetic reaction now you are actually approving violence against women? what sort of rat race society are you keen on creating?

 

[jonathan.agnew]

what a pathetic reaction. The climate change terrorists think they can do just what they want and they don't like it when someone challenges them. It is a case of you can't win whatever you do. All these female politicians saying he should be fired. Who knows who she was. May have had a violent agenda, disguised in a red dress. Nobody can be taken at face value. We have seen in this country innocent looking people doing horrendous things. Predictably Labour is calling for his head, the same party who ejected an old man from their party conference for heckling. Bunch of hypocrites. I know who I would want beside me in a crisis and it wouldn't be Jess Phillips or any of Corbyns hypocrites

Too right. We should let the police shoot the public on sight. Who knows who's carrying a gun. Were a democracy with a right to protest, not North Korea. What he did amounts to assault. She had every right to defend herself (and if I were in her shoes I'd have done him permanent damage)

 

[gray198]

Too right. We should let the police shoot the public on sight. Who knows who's carrying a gun. Were a democracy with a right to protest, not North Korea. What he did amounts to assault. She had every right to defend herself (and if I were in her shoes I'd have done him permanent damage)

she had no right to be there. If you class that as assault you are an apologist for a lawless society.

 

[Danidl]

knock the door down

There are 26 people behind that door,and only one prepared to entertain your wailing.. be careful for what you wish

 

[50Hertz]

And here is a case where restraining raving lunatic leaders is now custom and parctice in the so called Democratic Nations
Again from the DM
"
Donald's U-turn: President Trump 'approved military strike against Iran in retaliation for downing US drone but PULLED BACK at last minute - against the advice of aides - as planes were in air and battleships in position'

The worrying part is "against the advice of aides"
These aides are as dangerous as he is, and we have Boris who would back the USA up

I thought the big “Pulled Back” / “Pulled Out” story related to Stormy Daniels.