Brexit, for once some facts.

jonathan.agnew

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I wonder what will happen if we return a much larger contingent of Brexit supporting MEP's, which looks a possibility. Will the EU kick us out asap so their cosy little cabal is not disrupted
The eu do not have to do anything. Like TR we have shown quite a flair for self destruction and public humiliation. It just has to sit back and let us self destruct.
 

jonathan.agnew

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Am quite sure there is some of that.

But, in the case of thyroid, I am also quite sure that there are many who simply do not reach some specific blood test level. I was diagnosed with a level of 5 and numerous symptoms. Treatment has resolved most of them. But much of the so-called guidance insists you have to reach 10. (Top of range is usually between 3.5 and 4.5.) There is NO scientific data to back up reaching 10. There are well-known, fully researched and documented reasons some people can never reach 10. Just yesterday I was reading a new paper (a case report), from the UK, where someone had spent 20 years undiagnosed - because their bodies could not produce enough to reach 10. Hardly reached 2.5! They almost died.
True, take graves disease (form of hyperthyroidism with proptosis- to remain on topic, a kind of medically induced nigel farage bulging eyeball look), often the result of an almost insignificant degree of overactivity.
 
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oldgroaner

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Be afraid - be very afraid:

Nigel Farage has stopped playing the clown. No wonder the Tories are scared

Nigel Farage has changed. I remember the Farage I used to write about, five years ago, at Ukip’s peak: a blur of bibulous mischief in either mustard cords or Thatcherite pin-stripes, tirelessly pulling pints for the cameras, parping with cartoon merriment, and sporting that bug-eyed smirk that made him look like a toad plotting a practical joke. He was noisy, chaotic, and revelrous in mayhem. His hands virtually squelched with glee.

Not any more. This new Farage – the one leading The Brexit Party – is different. His manner is stern, even severe; he proclaims his new party to be “organised” and “professional”; and he appears to have overcome his weakness for public clowning: no more clambering on to the turret of a tank after two swift pints at noon. His suits, meanwhile, are sharper and more sober – and so, it seems, is he.

This new Farage, in short, is not someone a Tory leader can dismiss as a nutty no-hoper. He’s now a threat. A serious threat.

Today he held a press conference in London. He was blunt, brisk, efficient. No japes, no larking. Several of his party’s candidates were present, but (aside from their chairman Richard Tice) none spoke. Their role, it appeared, was to applaud their leader, which they did with particular vigour whenever he rounded on a media outlet (the BBC, the Guardian) whose coverage he considered insufficiently favourable.

Something he didn’t really talk about, funnily enough, was Brexit. Not the details of Brexit, or its difficulties, or even its benefits. It’s the same with the rest of his new colleagues. Since the launch of their European election campaign I’ve watched various Brexit Party candidates give speeches, and they’ve said strikingly little about, for example, why they believe Brexit is still a good idea, or how they would solve the Irish border problem, or what precisely is so terrible about Theresa May’s deal (which would, after all, end freedom of movement, the main issue Mr Farage campaigned on during the 2016 referendum).

What they talk about, instead, is democracy. That’s the theme, the sole theme, of every Brexit Party speech. Honouring democracy, defending democracy, fighting for democracy. And the only way to do this (runs every Brexit Party speech) is to deliver not just Brexit, but a no-deal Brexit – otherwise, democracy is dead.

That’s the message. Nothing more. Brutally simple, and brutally repetitive.

Today, a journalist tried to ask Mr Farage what policies – other than a no-deal Brexit – his new party had. He didn’t get far. Not for the first time during this campaign, Mr Farage waved the question away, as if it were an annoyingly persistent fly.

“We are fighting this European election,” he scowled, “on the key question of democracy.” Because of this, he would not “go any deeper” into party policy “until after May 23”.

In other words: we’ll tell you what our policies are after you’ve voted for us. Well, that’s one way to defend democracy.
He seems if anything to have sunk further into idiocy
 

oldgroaner

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He has always said the best way to get a deal is to walk away.
He's good at doing that, alas he keeps coming back, which only makes things worse.
And just how to you get a deal by walking away? all you get is zilch.
The man is only useful to Putin, no one in these islands of ours.
 
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oldgroaner

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I actually like the guy and after reading his book fully understand - growing up in Luton as he did - in the part of Luton he grew up in - why he ended up with the views he's now got.

But - it's a power game out there - and he's not winning it thus far.
He is separating mugs from their cash which after all is simply a case of doing a Pound shop imitation version of Nigel Farage.
Neither of them are real politicians, just parasites.
 
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50Hertz

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May I suggest the next time you buy a car, Get up from the dealers table and start to walk away.
I bet the deal gets better not worse.
Or you may end up with no car and become reliant on a failing bus service. Queuing for hours in the rain for a bus that doesn't show up. Great!
 
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I’m just looking at some stats for access to doctors (your GP). Currently, according to the stats, we have 60 GPs per 100000 people. In 1984, it was 50 per 100000 people.

Why was there no GP crisis in 1984 and why could I see my GP within 24 hours in 1984, when we had less doctors? Are we being fed BS? Are the doctor’s surgeries working less efficiently?
in my local surgery they are closed Weds pm and Fri pm. When you go in for appointment the place is empty. It also seems that all the female doctors only work part time. Having said that most of them are very good and in demand so need to wait longer to see them. In conclusion I would say that I am very satisfied with the service they provide. Receptionists are very helpful and the GP's do seem to want to help
 

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in my local surgery they are closed Weds pm and Fri pm. When you go in for appointment the place is empty. It also seems that all the female doctors only work part time. Having said that most of them are very good and in demand so need to wait longer to see them. In conclusion I would say that I am very satisfied with the service they provide. Receptionists are very helpful and the GP's do seem to want to help
According to the article I posted, The average doctor now works 3 and 1/3 days a week.
 

gray198

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He’s the very definition of flash in the pan man. Farage is very skilled at tuning into and feeding people’s emotions. However, he is not a deliverer. His track record is irrefutable proof of this.
to me he is much more believable than Corbyn who is an out and out opportunist jumping whichever way he thinks will get him into power (god help us)
 
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gray198

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The eu do not have to do anything. Like TR we have shown quite a flair for self destruction and public humiliation. It just has to sit back and let us self destruct.
I would agree with you there. The way our politicians are performing, there is a possibility that no sort of a deal will be forthcoming before 31st Oct. I can't see the EU extending beyond that if we have a lot of anti EU reps in there so they may just kick us out with no deal, and no matter what our parliament wants we may have no choice. I can feel a fudge coming on which is going to have repercussions for many years
 

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What they talk about, instead, is democracy. That’s the theme, the sole theme, of every Brexit Party speech. Honouring democracy, defending democracy, fighting for democracy. And the only way to do this (runs every Brexit Party speech) is to deliver not just Brexit, but a no-deal Brexit – otherwise, democracy is dead.
that's funny.
No deal brexit was not even on the ballot paper and yet, Farage can't bring himself to support a second referendum where no deal brexit will be on the ballot paper.
 
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50Hertz

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Or you could just do a deal with somebody else.
That’s true, but name me someone in our establishment who has demonstrated outstanding negotiation skills.

If the EU were the car dealership and the U.K. establishment the prospective purchaser, you have to agree that they have used us to wipe the car showroom floor.

At the moment, the U.K. is driving a fairly reliable & modest car. It could be better, but funds are short and it does the job. The Brexit chancers are offering a POTENTIAL, NOT A CERTAINTY, that we can trade up to a Beamer. So far I’ve not seen anything that fills me with confidence that they can pull this off. The consequences of them failing is waiting at the bus stop on a cold, wet & windy day. I think I’d rather stick with the car that I know works. Maybe trade up if something a bit more certain comes along.
 

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And? So what? That's the game. It's all a power game. Winner takes all. You can sit on the sidelines and complain your team is not getting its fair share - so what - nobody cares.

There's no right and wrong. One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Everybody is out for themselves no matter how they spin it otherwise. There are no saints.

Every argument you present there's an opposite one.

Be thankful for this brief moment called being alive. It won't last long.
I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing out facts because I'm worried for other people that are not so well informed.

It's surprising how many people are unaware of how unreliable and inaccurate the media are in their reporting, like people here using quotes from the Guardian of all publications.

Trust Pilot is completely independent. Anybody can post there. That's where you can get the truth about an organisation, provided there is a large enough sample of reviews You can see that the BBC have had over 4000 reviews and they got a Trustpilot score of 0.1. Anybody with half a brain cell can see from that that the BBC can't be trusted. I think that's something like 100 reviews saying they can't be trusted for every one that says they can.

Look at Wisper Electric bikes 107 reviews and a 5 star rating. You can see that the rating system is working more or less correctly.
 
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flecc

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I’m just looking at some stats for access to doctors (your GP). Currently, according to the stats, we have 60 GPs per 100000 people. In 1984, it was 50 per 100000 people.

Why was there no GP crisis in 1984 and why could I see my GP within 24 hours in 1984, when we had less doctors? Are we being fed BS? Are the doctor’s surgeries working less efficiently?
It's as Woosh replied to you. If anything doctors surgeries are far more efficient now, computers, prescription printout machines, online prescription and appointment booking, online transmission of prescriptions to chemists.

On my last doctors visit the doc prescribed something, relaying it directly. I said thanks, walked around the corner a couple of minutes and the pharmacist said "hello, just making it up for you". In 1984 that would have been a near miracle.

There are new big problems now, the biggest is keeping people alive very much longer and needing ongoing regular medical support.

The old like myself are a major element of this nowadays. Back in the early 1970s I started a new management job. Four of my fourteen employees were close to 65. None of the four reached 66 after retiring, something quite common then but very uncommon now. These days they'd have lived another 10 to 20 years, using their doctor for numerous ongoing problems due to age.

My brother at 78 with serious heart trouble had a replacement heart valve fitted. Not long afterwards he suffered bowel cancer. A few years ago either would have killed him, but now at 87 he's still alive and still using the doctor for all his medications and ongoing troubles.

Another big element is premature babies. Keeping them alive is celebrated as a big success, but what isn't so commonly known is that they are often far from perfect and frequently suffer lifelong conditions needing medical care as a consequence of being born with incomplete organs.

The statistic that also illustrates the changes is that 11% of the population are registered disabled. It was less than half that when I was young.
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