Brexit, for once some facts.
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The only single issue he is in interested in is himself, he just parasited off Brexit for profit when the NF thing proved unprofitable and unpopular, and does the same as an MEP
And now he has a new moneyspinner
I see leave advocates trotting out this type of thing all the time in interviews and the interviewer almost never points out the massive flaw in their logic. If we leave on WTO rules, yes we cause harm to the EU but (and this is where the car sale analogy breaks down) we will probably (only probably because no one can accurately predict the future) cause a lot more harm to ourselves. Its a shame interviewers aren't brave enough or smart enough to point this out to the likes of Farage etc but they very rarely do.
Those advocating leave always said we would be better off if we go out but they never went into detail exactly how that would be. We were told we would be able to business with the rest of the world which we can't do at present only we can and do.
I've never understood how Brexiters fell for this silly lie.
EU members Germany, France, Italy, Sweden, The Netherlands and Finland among others trade very successfully throughout the whole world, using both EU trade agreements and WTO terms with non signatories.
There's never been anything stopping us doing it. The only reason we've failed to do as well as they do is because we just haven't been good enough. And leaving the EU won't magically make us good enough.
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Would you support a second referendum if there is an option to vote for no deal brexit?
Now that is good and original!
Can anyone explain what manner of beast a " far right left wing agency"
Might be?
I like this kid, he may be dumb, but he's funny!
Within walking distance, how does that relate to Brexit? go on, where is the next cracking deal coming from?
Your ability to miss the Elephant in the room is amazing and typified by this line
"Trust Pilot is completely independent. Anybody can post there. "
And that includes every half baked conspiracy theorist on the planet of course, do you post there often by the way?
This one is even better
"Anybody with half a brain cell can see from that that the BBC can't be trusted. I think that's something like 100 reviews saying they can't be trusted for every one that says they can.."
So the people who say they can't be trusted have half a brain cell do they?
I'll take your word for it, I'm sure your expertise is greater than mine on the subject.
Logically it's exactly the same as a far left right wing agency, i.e. it's in the centre, but I doubt if that's what vfr means when he uses that expression..
PS. Do you think vfr stands for "vote for Robinson"?
Its never been actually walking away that benefits anyone, plainly it does not, rather its the threat of doing so and other side thinking you might if deal isnt good enough. The EU has known from the start we had no intention of ever walking away, this being proved when no deal was removed from table on our side.
Thats like saying to salesman in car show room, whatever deal you offer me I will take.
Walking away is far removed from the withdrawal of ever doing so.
We should have given impression we were willing to walk away whatever the reality was.
You dont walk in a car show room and say I, m buying that car, whatever the price and whatever it comes with, or doesnt. Unless, you are showing off, in which case salesman will bend you over nearest desk... Metaphorically ofcourse.
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The problem with that notion is that you can't apply it to Brexit.
Effectively the EU are the only "Dealer" in the game worth approaching and you have to convince the other side that you are stupid enough to walk away when they know your history and how desperate we were to join the EEC.
It just shows that the EU were not stupid enough to fall for it, nor would they ever be, even though some of us managed to convince themselves we are.
It appears that even "we" are not as utterly stupid as you thought to imagine it would work
It's the equivalent of the defeated boxer shouting "Hit me again and I'll bleed all over you"
We never stood a chance. It couldn't turn out any other way than it did.
Just received the first Election communication for the EU elections, from the Brexit party no less, very low key , hand delivered with the name and address obviously done on an inkjet printer as it got wet in the rain and has run!
It talks about wanting to change politics but offers no where or how the only clear statement is
We must leave the EU, an it doesn't even say how .
What a shoddy effort where is Aaron Banks when Lord Nigel needs him?
It talks about wanting to change politics but offers no where or how the only clear statement is
We must leave the EU, an it doesn't even say how .
What a shoddy effort where is Aaron Banks when Lord Nigel needs him?
Been a fair bit of talk on here recently about conspiracy theories. Interesting article here about how Farage uses them, he is a very clever politician. Shame he wouldn't put that cleverness into trying to improving the EU and not getting us out of it.
www.theguardian.com
The real – and sinister – reason Nigel Farage is spouting conspiracy theories | Carl Miller
He and others like him seek to exploit voters’ deepest fears about the ruling order and take power for themselves, says author Carl Miller
www.theguardian.com
Don't worry, I wasn't in any way inferring that you might think the Guardian prints news. It's those that quote from it that I was referring to. When they do that, you know that they're wrong. It's too easy.
Wishful thinking. Nobody can take your dreams away. The trouble is that you have to wake up afterwards.