Brexit, for once some facts.

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the car market is already saturated. There are few new customers and they are not in western Europe.
China used to be a very big car customers for for EU producers but that market is now practically dead because of EVs. There has to be brutal reduction in capacity. No way around it.
European EV manufacturers can't compete against Chinese EVs, especially on price even at 100% tariff, nor on technology, if you look at recall statistics on EVs. They like their Japanese counterparts, bury their head in the sand. Instead of 'if you can't beat them, join them', they would rather ask their governments to prolong petrol and diesel cars and continue to park unsold cars until they are forced to shut down the production lines.

Jaguar Will Buy Back Almost 3000 I-Pace EVs Due to Fire Risk

 

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the car market is already saturated. There are few new customers and they are not in western Europe.
China used to be a very big car customers for for EU producers but that market is now practically dead because of EVs. There has to be brutal reduction in capacity. No way around it.
European EV manufacturers can't compete against Chinese EVs, especially on price even at 100% tariff, nor on technology, if you look at recall statistics on EVs. They like their Japanese counterparts, bury their head in the sand. Instead of 'if you can't beat them, join them', they would rather ask their governments to prolong petrol and diesel cars and continue to park unsold cars until they are forced to shut down the production lines.

Jaguar Will Buy Back Almost 3000 I-Pace EVs Due to Fire Risk

Indeed, not only a brutal reduction in capacity but over time a reduction in private car ownership, since new i.c. cars will be banned and we won't see low price EVs in our market. Our governments prefer to use harsh tariffs to limit their entry, plus I'm sure to limit ownership by pricing out a form of private transport that has proved so troublesome in so many ways.
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Did anyone see the revised immigration figures?
Year to June 2023: 906k
Year to July 2024: 780k

97% are legal immigration. We need them, mostly carers and students.

Migration figures live update: Net migration to UK hit record 906,000 in year to June 2023, revised figures show - BBC News

 

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Where your water, tap or bottled, really comes from. Hehe, hope it's filtered!

 

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Vauxhall Luton factory *moving* to Ellesmere port , Cheshire. Is that a full closure?
"EV quota", nothing shows failure like a Soviet diktat.

It's called a recession. Prices up, Jobs down, sense lost!

 

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It takes about 30 man hours to assemble an ICE car, 11 hours to assemble an electric car.
Adding to the huge increase in efficiency, modern design and new facilities in new EV factories, China accounts previously for about one third of the world market for cars and trucks, the ice car industry needs to lose at least 10% of their workforce each year until the move to electric is complete.
You can fight the climate argument as much as you want, just watch the travelblogs of those who visited China in the last year to realise that EV is the way to go. Their cities are much more liveable. Wuhan, bejing, xian, nangkin, shanghai, chengdu, hangzhou, shenzhen etc, all connectedby high speed trains. Not only air pollution, noise pollution too are hugely reduced.

 

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So efficient, so green, so economic that they have to be Subsidised from the people's pocket AND quotas Dictated by Gov. Ha!

 

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Their facilities are heavily subsidised. They can afford all those things because the Chinese economy generates a trillion dollars trade surplus every year and growing. A young graduate starting salary is 1300 dollars a month but they can afford a rented flat. Our starting salary is double that but the rent is so high that our young workers can't rent a flat on their own. My children had to flat share for 3 years before they can buy their own flat. That was 15 years ago. Now it's even more expensive to rent.

 

[MikelBikel]

"470 civil servant went to Flop29"! Doing what? "V.nice to *talk* to one another". That's all they're good for, sack em, 50% for starters.

 

[MikelBikel]

Did anyone see the revised immigration figures?
Year to June 2023: 906k
Year to July 2024: 780k

97% are legal immigration. We need them, mostly carers and students.

Migration figures live update: Net migration to UK hit record 906,000 in year to June 2023, revised figures show - BBC News

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Locally here, 2 recently arrived "carer" and "student" convicted of aggravated burglary with sharpy of v.old 70's, 80's, 90's seniors. Wow, how caring?!

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Nissan is pretty much knackered. Cancelling EVs timetable won't help any of the old ICE car manufacturers because the world moves in that same direction. It's like making steel framed bikes against aluminium framed bikes. Some like the iconic Brompton still sell but the volume isn't there. There are pictures of tens of thousands of German cars stuck at the ports waiting to be exported. They have been there for a year and now the ports run out of parking spaces. At £50k a pop on average, that's a lot of capital left to rust. If you can import your EV from the USA, Tesla is offering crazy Christmas sales over there.

 

[flecc]

Vauxhall Luton factory *moving* to Ellesmere port , Cheshire. Is that a full closure?

Yes, full closure. No more of the large Vivaro style vans made in Luton. Ellesmere Port produces the smaller car style vans.
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Nissan is pretty much knackered.

There's a side story to this. Nissan anounced in 2020 their intention to make the Ariya SUV style car and said Leaf production would cease in 2021, even though it was still selling.

But that never happened and the Leaf continued in manufacture and is still selling sub £30k while the Ariya sales mostly at £50k plus are at a standstill.

I'm sure the widespread shift to big SUV style EVs is a big mistake, confusing the market. Environmentally minded people naturally attracted to having an e-car aren't the sort who find the big bullying SUV image attractive, while those attracted to big SUVs are often also those who like big i.c. engines, so nobody is being suited.

I've recently had a new neighbour move in with a new 24 reg Leaf, almost identical to the one I bought in 2018, even to the black colour. He only had to pay a little over a thousand pounds more than I paid nearly seven years ago. That's where there is still some real demand, at and below £30k, as MG are also showing starting at £30k.

The manufacturers need to think again about the style and price bands of the EVs they are making but failing to sell.
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How Europe's big hope in EV batteries came unstuck

Sweden’s Northvolt AB was seen as a potential European rival to the giant Chinese EV power cell companies. Now the business is fighting for its survival.

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"One wheel off my wagon, but I'm still rolling along ", hehe. Or has the second wheel already fallen off?

 

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EU chief launches a 'personal' initiative to help Europe's troubled car industry on which millions of jobs rely

This will bring key sector players around the table "to design solutions together as this industry goes through a deep and disruptive transition", she said.

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Von der lying going to "dialogue" the industry back with tariffs? 'Money talks, bulls... walks'

 

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"One wheel off my wagon, but I'm still rolling along ", hehe. Or has the second wheel already fallen off?

If we just leave it to market forces,China will gobble this market totally.
You can see that in the number of scientific papers on battery development. Mostly written by Chinese scientists.
we need to invest strategically more than our competitors in R&D. I think only the EU can do that but if you look in the currently proposed EU commission, it's dominated by right wingers. I can't see what the EU is going to do about it in the next 5 years. Big EU car maufacturers like WW Group will have to face forced factory closures and mountains of debts, may even be knackered by then.
The sad thing is not so much we don't have the right talents but misinformation about climate change has a role in that. Typically, people would rather read made up stories than the corrections afterward. 30 times more clicks on the misinformation tweets.

 

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Ireland's data centres turning to fossil fuels after maxing out country's electricity grid

Climate-impacting emissions are being released from data centres using off-grid generators.

www.thejournal.ie

"Fake news needs more diesel juice, senor". Oh dear

 

[MikelBikel]

"Ooh, just a little bit, ooh just a little bit more" (song). Ouch!, too much fake data

 

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Ireland's data centres turning to fossil fuels after maxing out country's electricity grid

Climate-impacting emissions are being released from data centres using off-grid generators.

www.thejournal.ie

"Fake news needs more diesel juice, senor". Oh dear

That amount of CO2 is just from when they are not allowed to use the grid. Their total emissions could be 20 times higher if they are totally off grid.
You can see the importance of storage batteries.

 

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That amount of CO2 is just from when they are not allowed to use the grid. Their total emissions could be 20 times higher if they are totally off grid.
You can see the importance of storage batteries.

Have you got the figures for that 20times higher? Media might like to know?
Storage batteries would help? have they installed any on their 'white meter'?

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