Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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This is what Google thinks:

"The Adam Smith Institute is a free market, neoliberal think tank based in London. It advocates classically liberal public policies to create a richer, freer world."

This is what the institute itself says:

"Individuals with left-wing and liberal views are overrepresented in British academia. Those with right-wing and conservative views are correspondingly underrepresented."

So it seems they are right wing biased for balance, in their view of course.
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Which is putting it mildly!
 
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The last line it telling:

"... this is what organisations do when they are in the grip of ideological fervour - they can’t simply let you disagree, they have to destroy you."
Cue the Adam Smith institute....and all the other squalid right wing so called think tanks.
 
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My take: it seems to me pretty clear that Corbyn is trying to keep as many Labour supporters as he can. And a promise to have another vote is going to cause all sorts of trouble with that.

Remember in order to implement his socialist paradise he really wants us as far away from EU regulations as possible.
Very true!
 
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Now you're getting the hang of it.
Not true, Fascist are here allright , here they are called the Conservative Party, they happily use economic policies that harm their own people after pouring money elsewhere, reduce the country to living as a betting shop and happily oversee policies that give results like this
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-austerity-reducing-life-expectancy
While ensuring that they gap between rich and poor widens.
 
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Even the Telegraph is saying this
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Brussels beware: Vladimir Putin is plotting to take over the EU
And his best move was Brexit....
 
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In the Daily Mail
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Corbyn wins Labour Brexit fight: Second referendum will now only be a last resort after party's ruling body agrees new policy and leader defeats Tom Watson
  • Labour's National Executive Commitee voted on position this afternoon
  • It will keep to its party conference position of prioritising its own Brexit deal
  • Referendum only on table if party cannot block Tory Brexit or force an election
  • Labour's deputy leader left in a row over access to a hard copy of the manifesto
  • He said: 'I left to walk to the NEC where the document will be available'
  • Labour appears split over whether to agree to second referendum as policy
  • Party's NEC will vote today on whether to adopt it as policy for Euro elections
Idiots! now watch them come to an "arrangement" with TM and my prediction that her deal gets accepted come true.

And it will be welcome to Cuba for us all.
 
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Cue the Adam Smith institute....and all the other squalid right wing so called think tanks.
I think if you do your research a little bit more thoroughly you will find the AS Ins greatly encourages discourse.

i.e. Apart from free markets it is also a strong proponent of free speech.

Unlike its counterparts on the left.
 

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Wouldn't that be yet one more reason to remain then?
Huh? Remain means you're completely tied into EU regulations. The ones he particularly wants away from are the ones on what the EU terms 'unfair competition' - where a country supports one particular industry and prevents others (from within the EU) competing with that industry (not that this seems to apply to French farmers or Italian clothing manufacturers but no matter).
 

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Labour will support a second referendum 'under certain circumstances'.
It seems to me that they have already made a deal with TM.

We are proceeding slowly toward brexit with confirmatory vote.
 
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Labour will support a second referendum 'under certain circumstances'.
It seems to me that they have already made a deal with TM.

We are proceeding slowly toward brexit with confirmatory vote.
That fence must be jolly uncomfortable by now..
 

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I think if you do your research a little bit more thoroughly you will find the AS Ins greatly encourages discourse.

i.e. Apart from free markets it is also a strong proponent of free speech.

Unlike its counterparts on the left.
Actually in the case of both "Free speech" is better described as lies and propaganda.
 
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Not strictly Brexit related, but related to the general incompetence and inability to do anything useful which has brought about Brexit.

Care Homes. Each resident (or cash cow) is being rinsed for between £1000 and £1600 per WEEK. Where is the effing money going? Most of the care staff are paid around minimum wage, so how can a care home go bust? I can’t understand it.

Either someone is lining their slacks with cash or we are seeing a whole new level of incompetence which we had previously considered unattainable.
 

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Meanwhile back in the asylum.
(quote from NEC labour meeting yesterday)
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This needs no comment from me. Perfectly self explanatory of Labour party at moment.

Care homes are making fortunes for owners. Its a disgrace.
 
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Great programme on LBC now regarding Jeremy Corbyn’s endorsement of a vile anti-Semitic book. Bang to rights I think.

It makes the point that many hard left followers refuse to accept something, even when the evidence is there before them in Black & White.
 

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Remember in order to implement his socialist paradise he really wants us as far away from EU regulations as possible.
no, JC wants us to keep our regulations aligned to the single market.
It's only one aspect of the Single Market that is a problem for him, concerning state intervention. The SM's rules don't stop state intervention but limit them severely.
 
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This needs no comment from me. Perfectly self explanatory of Labour party at moment.
there is a grain of truth in that.
whatever happens to brexit, hard, soft or none, the division will run and run. If the conservatives remain in power after 2020, brexit has to happen and continue to divide the country because polls still put remain ahead. Brexit will increase that lead even further.
The reverse will still be true. If Labour wins, brexit will probably be cancelled, the clamour for a third referendum can only increase.
 
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there is a grain of truth in that.
whatever happens to brexit, hard, soft or none, the division will run and run. If the conservatives remain in power after 2020, brexit has to happen and continue to divide the country because polls still put remain ahead. Brexit will increase that lead even further.
The reverse will still be true. If Labour wins, brexit will probably be cancelled, the clamour for a third referendum can only increase.
I agree and realise all that Woosh but the simple version is that if Labour were united under a remain policy they could utilise the situation to get into power, rather than attempt to cater for everybody and get power down the line. However, the very serious flaw in my reasoning is JC.. Firstly he is actually a leaver and has not supported EU in his entire career and secondly his policies are a nightmare in my subjective view and more importantly in eyes of middle England. I trully believe JC is keeping Labour out of power.
Why not utilise the (misguided) opinion of remain to take power, actually as a credible opposition should.
Its either powers that be in Labour don't actually think remainers are in the majority or JC is omnipotent and wants to leave.
Labour are simply split over the situation.
No party can represent both sides in a digital decision. Its an impossibility. They must agree on in or out. Yes, some would have to compromise but thats the nature of the situation.

https://mol.im/a/6979785 ?????
 
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